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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:33 PM
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McCain Owes Pelosi an Apology
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McCain Owes Pelosi an Apology
By: emptywheel Monday August 31, 2009 9:52 am


Back in May, when Nancy Pelosi was pointing out, correctly, that she had not been briefed that the CIA was already in the torture business, John McCain joined the rest of his party in suggesting that Pelosi could have prevented the torture. He suggested that his efforts--he focuses on 2005, ignoring that he basically capitulated on a Nuremberg Defense in the Detainee Treatment Act--were successful in preventing torture.

"Let me just tell you -- I was briefed on it -- and I vehemently objected to it. We did the Detainee Treatment Act, which prohibited cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. So we felt, I certainly felt, I could act on it."

He dismissed her claim she was barred from acting on what she learned in the briefings with a shrug.

"I'm sure she has her argument and we'll see if the American people agree."


Today it's McCain's turn to insist he did all he could to prevent torture. In the Time article I cited earlier, McCain is left to insist, futilely, that he complained specifically about the proposed use of sleep deprivation.

An aide to McCain said that in meetings with Hayden and others, McCain raised the story of Orson Swindle, a friend of McCain's who suffered forced sleep deprivation through stress positions as a captive of the North Vietnamese.


Of course, we now know that between the CIA and Steven Bradbury, the torture apologists were actually using McCain's name in support of the use of sleep deprivation. Presumably, then, those two detainees with whom sleep deprivation was used in August 2007 and October 2007 were abused in spite of McCain's complaints.

Neither of these politicians were heroes in their opposition to torture. But the public record makes it clear that Pelosi measured the Bushies much better than McCain: even opposition like that McCain voiced was turned into support for abuse.

And its time both the Democrats and the Republicans opposing torture acknowledged that fact, because it's a key step to holding those responsible for torture accountable.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:39 PM
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1. He owes the whole country and the world an apology for Sarah Palin. n/t
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 05:40 PM by FormerDittoHead
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:14 PM
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2. I hate to say this, but I am afraid if it wasn't for palin, we might not have won /nt
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:16 PM
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3. In what alternate reality??
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:18 PM
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4. In the alternate reality of vote-rigging.
Without sarah palin tipping the scales in our favor, they might have rigged their way to a win.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:23 PM
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5. Well maybe ok
Vote stealing is hard to deal with
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:35 PM
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6. I doubt that, especially after the massive crowds and the debates.
Oh, and the obviously superior Democratic candidate.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:00 PM
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9. Maybe, except the extremism of palin scared off the independents
and rightfully so. However, if mccain had chosen a ridge or govenor of florida, it would have been very close I believe

Of course, mccain's choice of palin, demonstrated the instability of mccain, but if he instead choose a moderate, I think it would have been much different

Whoever wins the independents wins elections

Obama tapped into that.

mccain choose palin because he felt he wouldn't get the extreme right support, which was because of his impaired judgment, and thus we have a circular argument, with the same outcome

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 11:09 PM
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10. Wrong. McCain chose Palin because someone told him to.
McCain wasn't and isn't in any shape to win much. The rethugs knew they were doomed. That must have really hurt, especially because a gifted black man was doing it.

And continues to!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:40 PM
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8. That's up for speculation..mccain still owes the country an
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 06:41 PM by Cha
apology..but, he will Never apologize, He will keep on doing whatever he can to bring down our country for his corporatewhores, though.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:38 PM
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7. Yes, he does..that's his number one
offense against the United States of America.
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