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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:12 PM Original message |
5 People Who Refused To Evacuate Won't Be Rescued |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. Sucks, but are you going to risk other lives if people are stubbron? n/t |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. people always think someone will come back for them. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. See below...apparently the fire changed course, which is good news for them. n/t |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
63. Similar to mountain climbers who ignore warning |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. and snowboarders/skiiers who insist on going off-trail |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. And they shouldn't be. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. I guess the Sheriff has to weigh his options |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
4. Burning sounds like a horrific way to die. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Most don't burn but die of smoke inhalation. Choices/Consequences. n/t |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. It's only horriffic if you survive |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Good point. I always think of the folks |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. Sometimes you wait to late and help can't come - that seems to be the case here |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. That's a tough call to make. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. it is hard indeed |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
7. Sucks to be them |
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Creena (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
9. I feel sorry for them, but they should have evacuated. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. especially if there is little to no hope a potential rescuer will survive. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
10. Now watch them try to sue the Sheriff's Dept. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I don't think that would "wash".. if they even survive |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. They will try, if they survive (and if they don't their next of kin will) - |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
75. If we could some how air drop masses of these attorneys on the fires |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
13. Now here's where personal responsibility should play a role. These |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
15. According to a caller to the Ron Reagan show |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. That's good news....and I hope this serves as a lesson for others! n/t |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. sadly, probably more will think they too could "make it".. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Excellent -good for them- its got to be scary to know you are beyond help |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
22. "Teh Stupid- It Burns"... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
24. That's sad, but it happens all the time. People won't leave their homes until the danger is there |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
26. I don't know what has changed over the years, I don't know why |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Some people think they can 'ride it out', because the media always |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
67. That's not what I am talking about. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Deleted sub-thread |
benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
78. If you are poor, without insurance, will be homeless if you lose everything, |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
58. I think part of it is distrust of government |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
66. And in 1980 when Mt. St. Helen erupted |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
28. whoops |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
29. i am hoping they make it.... lesson learned. they say go, go. nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
30. Maybe the Gubernator they voted for will fly in with guns blazing and rescue them like the movies |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. You know, whether or not you approve of their decision to stay, |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. No one said it was funny. |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Oh please. The self-satisfied smirks in some of the posts on this thread |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I only made one post. I acknowledge my comments callousness. I am disgusted listening to Ahnolt |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. You extended your disgust for the governor to people you don't even know. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I understand how upset you are. I'm sorry I contributed to that. |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
32. I nominate this thread |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Just like Arnold Schwarzenegger |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Quick! When called on bad behavior, point to a conservative! |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. I dis that phony asshole every time I have to listen to his disgusting voice on the news. |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Except you weren't just dissing "that phony asshole." |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. especially in tragedies like this. Please read my other post and consider yourself acknowledged |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
35. Self-absorbed children. |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Does posting this make you feel all grown-up and smart? |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
62. Did your snippy response make you feel all warm and fuzzy in self-righteous indignation? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
38. There's a lesson to be learned from this. |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. One that, given some of the posts here, is more about the nature of |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Heh. I was thinking more along the lines of : Glibertarians, either their hypocrites... |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. So you assume that they must not only have voted for Schwarzenegger, |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. (shrug) True - it's possible they were simply stupid.... |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Riiight. The fact that they might have died from smoke inhalation instead |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. If it's just as revolting and callous, why did you deliberately choose the unlikely possibilitiy? |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Because I can remember the Oakland fire here in the Bay Area |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Yes, that is theoretically possible. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
49. Very little information to bash the 5 people |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. FACTS: |
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Pamela Troy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Thank Goodness. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Very good. Thank you. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. I can understand why they wouldn't go in there |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Certainly if it's possible for firefighters to reach them they will. Those staying know what the |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
76. You're judging a Sheriff negatively because of another Sheriff |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Actually I did not |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
59. Maybe they had animals. But I swear I'd drag the animals kicking and screaming... |
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Creena (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Possible, but unlikely. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. That may well have been part of the reason |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. People who have horses are generally planned and prepared for evacuation in |
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Creena (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. So very true. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Even suburbanites in Santa Barbara can tell you where to bring your horses: Earl Warren Show Grounds |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. The folks in Ojai are very coordinated as a community to get the horses out. |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
74. this is a perfect analogy of our current health care reform debacle |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
77. It's called "cracking the whip". |
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