2010 Chevrolet Camaro outsells the Mustang for a 3rd straight month!

As the sales are reported...

Camaro August Deliveries: 8,680
Total Camaro's Produced in August: 10,682
Mustang August sales: 6,289
Challenger August Sales: 1,132

Total Camaros produced to date (since March 16, 2009): 43,373
Total April - August Deliveries: 31,190


Goes to show that GM has a hot selling car finally.

Camaro drivers were the SUV drivers of the 80s. :-) TransAm drivers also.

LOT of collectors buying them. Guys that have 2 and even more Muscle cars in their collections. ot Rodders buying modern technology.

I was not a jerk, I was a cool high school kid. I would love to have a new Camaro, but it would end up being stored for the winter months, and I cant afford any more car payments.

;-)

I had to be a careful driver. But I know what you mean about some people, not just camaros but other sports cars, they get behind the wheel and have to race everyone and take corners on 2 wheels. Sometimes a nice muscle car turns a normally nice person into billy bad arse.

Shit, insurance for a Scion TC is double that of what I'm paying for for my 2001 Trans Am which is 5x the car the TC is! Know why? Because so many young people are driving those TC's, many of them wreck it, many of them get tickets due to driving aggressive or street racing.

in front. Passes everything with no regard to safety. I will not ride with him.

And I saw they changed Bumblebee from a VW Bug to a Camaro I knew that those would sell like crazy.

Blame it on Bumblebee!

useless monstrosities.
dc

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And shows that you have big huge ballz.

The v8 is getting a little bit less obviously.

304 horsepower and 29 mpg hardly seems like a gas guzzler. There are many "economy" cars that get worse than that, I'm guessing you wouldn't consider them to be gas guzzlers. Most likely simply because they have ugly lines and poor performance.

:rofl:

My Mustang gets about 30 mpg. That's more than sticker, but it's a straight shift.

Drive your Toyota crap and drive the UAW into the ground while you're at it.

Nice looking cars!

I worked at Design Staff at the GM Tech Center for 30 years.

but it is a good looking car. Nice to see that they're selling well, and the Mustang isn't doing too poorly either. I'd like to know what the breakdown is in which performance level was selling by the numbers. You know, how many of the tire-shredding top dogs are in that number?

It's the Hennessey. Note the Yenko-style treatments on the back quarters. Last I heard, they were looking at over 700hp out of this car.

I remember seeing a single turbo kit for the Camaro, I cant remember what the name of the business was, but they showed a dynograph showing what the car was making. As a 6 speed auto it dyno'd 311hp at the wheels, with 8.5lbs of boost from the turbo it dyno'd around 525hp at the wheels. Sort of a let down cause my 01 Trans Am 6 speed manual can dyno around 300whp, and its well known that the LS1 can put out around 500hp with 8-9lbs of boost from a turbo or supercharger. But than again, the IRS factors in a bigger loss of wheel HP compared to a live axle...

Not at stock displacement, but with a decent stroker kit and a few other upgrades, you can get well over 500hp fairly easily without any forced induction. Hell, the LS7 is pretty much just a bored and stroked LS2 and that makes over 500hp in stock form NA. Considering that the engine is tested reliable past 8000rpm and in stock form it redlines at 7k, there's a good deal more power to be unlocked with some very cheap upgrades. Forced induction is great, I have a turbo myself, but I love getting big power without the use of a turbo or SC. I've found that unless you spend big bucks on a twin turbo system, you can't completely eliminate turbo lag and while superchargers are great for low end torque, they leave much to be desired on the top end. I like to go by the old hot-rodder's max of there being no replacement for displacement. And this is coming from someone who has a sub 2 liter engine making close to 300hp.

Thats why I'd take forced induction and keep it about as efficient as it was factory stock. I'm still saving up for a twin turbo kit for my 01 Trans Am WS6.

And as I mentioned, both methods of forced induction have their drawbacks (NA does as well). But to address the issue of fuel efficiency with regards to boring, stroking and other methods of adding all engine power, the LS7 is pretty much just a bored and stroked LS2. Despite this, the Z06 gets pretty much the same fuel economy as standard C6 Vettes. Yes, the Z06 is a bit lighter and it has taller gears, but it also has 80 more hp.

Good luck with your TT kit. What do you imagine you'll be putting down once it's installed? I've driven your year WS6 before and it's a fantastic ride. Almost seems scary to think of it with 50% more power on top of that. Should be wicked fun.

I'd like to have a supercharger kit available for my Dodge Dakota, but the sad thing is, the 4.7 Powertech v8 it has, has no major aftermarket support.

I have some mods done to the T/A.

Magnaflow muffler with Corsa replica chrome tips, 2" lowering springs. A WS6store.com shifter stick thats 3" (I think) shorter than the factory Hurst shifter. Completely gutted out the factory Monsoon stereo system for a quality aftermarket setup as follows...

Kenwood X693 radio
Elemental Designs 1200 watt mono subwoofer amp
Elemental Designs 400 watt 4ch amp
Two Elemental Designs 10" subwoofers, both are in stealth enclosures on both sides of the trunk, I have them wired so that they can receive a combined 900 watts from the amp at 2ohm (its rated 1200 watts at 1ohm)
A set of ED 2 way component speakers in the front doors.

I've had this setup for a while, so I think I want to experiment using four 8" subwoofers. As you can probably see, I'm a HUGE fan of Elemental Designs. They make great car audio products, and they're also into home audio, big time. http://www.edesignaudio.com/

On both fronts. The last time I did any serious audio upgrades, I replaced the component speakers of my Monsoon system (the discrete amps aren't terribly powerful, but I like them) and then added a Kicker S8L7 with 300wrms at 4ohms. That single 8" gives me all the bass I need and more, I'd imagine you'd be able to shake your rear view mirror off with 4. I've never used any ED equipment, but I've heard good things. The component system I'm using right now is by Boston Acoustics and I'm very happy with it. Everything looks straight from the factory and it runs very well with the Monsoon amps. When my GTI gives up the ghost and I'm looking to start a new system, I'll keep ED in mind.

Love this one and the one posted above. Great to see!

Julie--a motorcity girl

Windows are kind of scrunched down and the rear pillars are really wide.

Not very well proportioned.

That one is my favorite. I always wanted a '69 1/2 RS/SS in gunmetal gray and tinted windows. This one will do! I like the Mustangs and Chargers, too, but this one I want. The sales thing is just a combination of pent up demand and collectors (not unlike the gun run currently going on) who think this is their last chance.

It's hot looking car.

My modified Subaru Impreza STi smokes them both with better gas milege
and all wheel drive to boot. (even non modified)

It must be fun buying a tuner car (with a dishonest factory HP rating) straight out of the factory and adding a few bolt on parts and claiming superiority over unmodified Mustangs. I think the first time you run into a Camaro SS you'll wonder where your horsepower went. Or a modified Cobalt or HHR SS.

I heard about it a long time ago, but I don't believe I've ever seen one on the road. Sounded like a really cool idea, but I'd say with how similar HHR SS sounds to Hearse, it's somewhat unfortunately named. If the performance is similar to that of the Cobalt SS, I'm seriously going to consider buying one. I love pocket rockets, and the HHR has the utility I need. The Mazdaspeed3 is a great car with tons of utility, but too expensive for my tastes. The Caliber SRT4 seems to be lacking in quality from what I've heard. The HHR SS might be just right.

I have an '07 Mazdaspeed 3 (which I love) but had the HHR SS been around at the time, I'd definitely have considered it. The SRT4 Caliber is a mistake waiting for you to make it. I haven't driven one myself, but from everything I've read it's too much power in not a very good car.

It means quite a bit coming from a Mazdaspeed3 owner. The Mazdaspeed3 is almost the perfect vehicle for me. My only gripe is that it's FWD only and it's a bit too expensive for me to pick up new. I definitely plan on avoiding the SRT4. The HHR SS might be the perfect option for me. I love that it has a ton of interior and storage room but doesn't weigh all that much more than the Cobalt that it's based upon.

and had around 6k on the ticker. I got REALLY lucky in that someone else took the depreciation hit for me as brand new it was just out of my price range as well.

Maybe with a few more miles. After, of course, my GTI gives up the ghost. Can you tell me if torque steer is a huge issue with your 3? I know FWD is getting more and more capable with the twisties, but I still loathe torque steer after driving my Lincoln LS and other modern RWD cars.

Mazda was smart enough to limit the amount of boost you can create in first gear and then even somewhat in second. I can dump the clutch at around 3k, and she'll spin a bit but grab and go straight. Into 2nd gear you have to feather the throttle a bit just to keep the tires from spinning into nothing. Into 3rd you can go full beans with some spin initially.

I've never had a problem with understeer, either. Very easy to manage. It's a car you do sort of have to "learn" to drive at it's best.

Having had a couple turbo'd cars in the past, what I was most surprised by is the absolute absence of turbo lag. I can be in third gear at around 3k RPMs and floor it, and it's immediately like someone sat on your chest. It's pretty sweet.

I guess you and I might have different ideas of what constitutes an absence. My GTI after extensive modifications starts spooling up a good amount of boost at around 2700rpm. In spite of that, I still hate the amount of turbo lag my car has as it makes it a bear to drive around DC traffic. I guess I've gotten a bit spoiled from driving a number of American V8s. I'm glad to hear that torque steer isn't much of an issue, it's an absolute beast with my GTI, but I guess 300+ lb/ft of torque will do that to a tiny FWD car.

Aside from those few nits, the Mazdaspeed3 seems damn near perfect. I can't wait to test drive a few of them.

it's an absence. Granted, once the boost spooled up in the GN it was an absolute beast, but between the downshift (automatic) and the lag, you could feel the difference between that and say a Corvette.

The GNX is one of my dream cars. I had the NA version of that V6 in a few vehicles I owned, one Buick and one Olds 88. Rock solid V6, it's a shame they don't make it anymore. But yeah, the Grand National (especially the GNX) had high output in mind and any time you look to make big output from a single turbo, you've got to deal with turbo lag. Even 911 Turbos suffered from horrific lag until they moved to a twin setup. I guess 3 grand ain't bad at all, it's just that I'll always miss having a larger normally aspirated engine for true low end torque.

It WILL be my next purchase. With FACTORY over the counter mods 330 HP without affecting driveability and warranty is easy. Three different people here at work now own them.


http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/09q1/2009_chevrolet_hhr_hhr_ss-review

I wouldn't mind picking up a used one at all. Even with 260hp and the same for torque, it sounds like a very fun ride.

+40 HP with MAP sensor replacement/reprogramming, +40 HP with turbo upgrade, +12 HP with cold ar intake, +15 HP with less restrictive muffle/exhaust. 352 HP with bolt-ons that don't void the warranty.

Add a hi-flow MAS, aluminum intercooler tubes instead of plastic, replace the waste gate to allow higher boost, and 400 HP is only a blink of the eye away.

The six speed is where it's at. I haven't owned a slushbox in quite a while.

The fact that they're already limiting the power output for the auto tells me that it's not going to handle additional power as well as the manual. And the manumatic may be quick, but still not as fast as a skilled driver with a stick. And the no-lift-shift feature is awesome, I've driven cars with it before and it makes shifting a blast. Then there's things like heel and toe shifting which are impossible to do on any auto. I'll be sticking with the stick until they stop making them.

Now was that a unmodified mustang, camaro ss, modified cobalt or just an ole hhr ss?

It's probably 'I'll look the other way'. When you run into your first blown one, you'll rethink your rice cake.


Keep dreaming.

Cya.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0908_chevrolet_camaro_hpe550_ford_shelby_gt500_dodge_challenger_srt8/2010_chevrolet_camaro_hpe550.html

remakes of old muscle cars won't continue to cut it. Can't american cars
come up with better designs than rehashing the cars of old.

What makes you think they are?

Anything with a V8 is a dinosaur.

Making all those old school dinosaurs that nobody is buying. Why don't they get with the times and make nuclear powered flying cars like everyone has been asking for for the past 50 years?

The basic technology behind these vehicles is over 100 years old and it's time for a change. It may take a few decades, but petroleum powered vehicles will eventually be phased out.

The modern internal combustion engine hardly bears a passing resemblance to the engines of a few decades ago. Even GM, who still makes OHV V8s, makes V8 engines that are extremely highly evolved compared to the small blocks of a few decades ago. Yes, petroleum vehicles will eventually be phased out, the same can be said of virtually any technology out there. Transistors will be phased out just as vacuum tubes (kinda) were. But all those companies I mentioned, and others as well, make damn fine engines. To say that any ICE and V8s especially are dinosaurs is laughable.

Doesn't matter how advanced the technology, the V8 will always burn more fuel than a smaller engine with the same technology. It will emit more pollution, more carbon, consume more resources and further imperil the planet.

But damn, that V8 badge on the Camaro sure looks cool, doesn't it?

Justifying a muscle car on gas mileage is ridiculous because it's still GAS mileage. Muscle cars need to go the way of the horse and buggy. They're artifacts of a previous century.

My 2001 Trans Am with a 350hp v8 averages 23mpg and has gotten 31mpg on the HWY, my Dodge Dakota with a 230hp 4.7 v8 gets 16mpg and the best it ever got was 21mpg HWY. The car is lightweight and aerodynamic, the truck is heavy and has the aerodynamics of a brick. A modern v8 engine depending on what vehicle its in, is no where near the gas guzzler it once was in the 60's.

You complain about V8s because of their fuel economy and the pollution it emits. Yet, GM's V8 often get the same or better fuel economy than a lot of four cylinder economy car engines and the same or better CO2 emissions. Why not simply lambaste inefficient cars altogether? Especially if you can get a fun, high powered car that has the same impact on the environment? I think it's not the impact on the environment you're concerned about, you simply don't like people having high powered cars. If you did, you'd be complaining about the 4 banger Suzuki that averages 25 mpg, and not the BMW that averages 28 or the Chevy that averages 30. You can think all you want about where muscle cars need to go (and FYI, the Camaro is not a muscle car, it's a pony car, but I'm guessing you have no idea what the difference is). But leave it to people who actually know a thing or two about cars to actually determine the course of the development of the automobile.

:eyes:

What's funny is he's projecting: claiming these new "muscle cars" are old-school while still believing the 1980s crap that Japanese cars are still worth the shitpile they charge for the pieces of ugly, malfunctioning crap.

You know nothing about cars, so you use snark to cover for the fact that you're talking out of your ass? Brilliant move.

Copying a 40 year old design is not the way to attract younger buyers.

Cause this one worked for me.

nothing like the old ones. i prefer the new dodge...smaller,cleaner design,and truer to the old.

to bad gm killed pontica..i`d sell my house for a new trans-am....hell even an old one

I don't necessarily think the new Camaro is too big, but I think it is overweight. If they could have kept it within a couple hundred pounds of the Corvette, it would be absolutely untouchable in its price range (it's pretty close as it is). 3800lbs is a bit high for a pony car, but it does compensate for it with a lot of power, even in stock trim and the independent rear suspension which is standard.

If I were to get a new Camaro, the first thing I'd start doing is working on weight reduction rather than increasing power. I'd imagine there's a couple hundred of relatively easy pounds to get rid of.

I definitely don't agree that the new Challenger is truer to the original though. The new Challenger is based upon the previous generation Mercedes Benz E-Class. Not many gear heads would consider that a pony car platform. And it's even heavier than the Camaro, has a good deal less standard power and doesn't even offer a manual. I wouldn't dream of buying a pony car with a slush box. I think the Challenger looks kind of cool, but I'd rather opt for the four door and get a Charger. At least the Charger isn't pretending to be something that it's not (except for the Chargers of the 60s, which it's nothing like as well).

1977 and swore I would never ever buy another Chevy but I got to admit I like the new Camaro.

:eyes:

one vehicle than all my others combined. I bought one other new Chevy a 1971 Nova and it was the #2 worst car I ever owned. Both of them looked sharp too. It will be interesting to see how the Camaro holds up over time.

I've never owned a japanese car, so I have no grudges to hold, I just won't buy one because it's against my patriotic and Union principles. But you keep holding that grudge as the foreign interests who get your money laugh all the way to the bank.

car or any car being better than a Chevy? I have owned numerous Fords, 1 AMC, 1 VW, 1 Subaru and 1 Toyota. I have owned 2 Chevys that I bought used one was a Corvair and we know about that one don't we and a 1964 Impala that was OK. I bought 2 Chevys new, one was a 1977 Blazer, the worst car I ever owned by far. The other one was a 1971 Nova the second worse car I ever owned. I bought two imported cars in my entire life a used VW Beetle and a Subaru Justy both were fairly good cars. I presently own a 1999 Mercury Tracer, it was made by Ford at the Wayne plant (USA), it has been excellent. I also own a 2006 Toyota Tacoma it was made in Freemont California (USA) a plant owned jointly by GM and Toyota. I have a couple minor complaints about the Toyota, it isn't perfect either but so far it has been excellent. They produce the Tacoma and also some cars for GM at Freemont and they are Union I believe. I said I had a lot of trouble with the last two Chevys I bought and swore I would never ever buy another. I said I like the looks of the new Camaro but I will reserve judgement on it until it proves itself over time.

On the other hand people love a reliable and nice car and will cry when they have to part with it.

(snicker snicker). Camaros ordered NOW will be delivered in December. There is the potential to hit 100,000 sales the first year. Surprisingly, the mix has been 75% 6cyl., 25% SS. And the transmission mix is even stranger, 75% 6-speed, 25% automatic in a terrible traffic area. The stripes are very popular options. We've only seen ONE base car come through with NO options, and it was an order. Owners seem NOT to be driving them. One we delivered months ago just came in for the first oil change. I haven't seen but one on the road since May.

If GM goes belly up, these will be collectors items.

Ain't no Toyotas or Hondas in collector car auctions that's for sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_2000GT

Up to $250,000.

Toyota Celicas are also appreciating.

Honda 2000S was discontinued in 2009 with a total production of about 100,000. It is likely to go up from here.

Go to any of the auction houses and follow the sales.

Cya dreamer.

They drove it up from the Bahamas.

It's bitchin'!

...I see what you did there.

how we met.

ah

the memories

but this new Camaro is the bomb.

Too bad I can't afford another house payment right now. :)

Sales of Ford Mustangs for August of 2009 were 6,289 compared to 8,197 from August of 2008 showing a 23.3% decrease in sales from the previous year. Year to date Mustang sales are 46,763 compared to 73,961 for 2008, which is a 36.8% drop. The Mustang is the best selling sports car for 22 years straight. Not to take anything away from the Camaro but I highly doubt they'll go anywhere near Mustang sales.

selling cars people really want... Camrys, Carollas, Civics, and Accords.

the day that I really want a Camry, Corolla, Civic or Accord? I'm not anti-import, I've got a Teutonic pocket rocket myself. But the Japanese have a knack for creating some of the most boring cars imaginable. I could set out to make the most boring, uninteresting car I could think of and I still don't think I'd be close to the new Camry. And the new Accord isn't too far behind. At least Mazda has made a good compact with the Mazda3. Considering how closely its priced to the Corolla and Civic, I'm amazed people are still buying either of them. Goes to show how many people are simply buying a name rather than buying a car.

People who think a machine needs an "image."

It's a fucking machine. If you need a machine to add to your image, you are weak.

I want a machine that accomplishes its purpose - reliable and efficient travel in the conditions in which I drive.

I don't give a rat's ass how it looks.

With all the modifications I've made to my car, my primary goal has been not to alter its appearance at all. I want a car to drive well and perform, something that those who know little about cars simply refuse to understand. I spend a lot of time in my car, so I want it to be quality time. I've spent a good amount of time in Toyotas, and with the exception of the Supra, MRS and MR2, they're extremely boring cars. Honda is a bit less so, but with the exception of perhaps the Civic SI, S2000 and the compact Acuras, they're boring as well. And all the domestic cars that I've owned have been extremely reliable, my current GTI less so. If you get off on judging people while knowing nothing about them, you're weak as well as ignorant. If you see cars as an appliance, I pity you.

Just wondering...

And yes, they are produced in Canada which doesn't take away from the car's quality. The few times I've sat in one, it doesn't feel like GM cheaped out on anything with it. The interior of my 01 Trans Am is garbage compared to 2010 Camaro's!

and for the life of me I can't imagine why Toyota stopped making it (unfortunately, the reason was that Toyota wanted to concentrate on the sedan/compact market).

It has great mileage (26-34) and it looks just nifty to me, almost Porsche Boxter-like, not to mention that the price is just right. Sure, there is absolutely no storage space to speak of, but you don't buy a car like that to haul groceries.

But that Camaro does look good, for sure.

MR2, Celica, Supra...dead, dead, dead. They've talked about bringing the MR2 back, and some of the mags report seeing Toyota testing a "mid-engined, two seater" several times in the last couple years.

Have fun with your car!

GM went to crap in the 90s, but my '86 IROC Cam w/ t-tops has a new engine and still runs beautifully.

Our Blazer wasn't the greatest as far as repairs. On the other hand it had 200,000 miles on it when we traded it in on the Malibu.

... I ran over my neighbors.
Bitchin' Camaro! Bitchin' Camaro!
Now it's in all the papers!
My folks bought me a Bitchin' Camaro! with no insurance to match,
So if you happen to run me down, please don't leave a scratch.
I ran over some old lady one night at the county fair,
And I didn't get arrested — because my dad's the mayor.

Bitchin' Camaro! Bitchin' Camaro!
Doughnuts on your lawn.
Bitchin' Camaro! Bitchin' Camaro!
Tony Orlando and Dawn.
When I drive past the kids, they all spit and cuss,
Because I've got a Bitchin' Camaro! and they have to ride the bus.
So you'd better get out of my way, when I run through your yard,
Because I've got a Bitchin' Camaro! and an Exxon credit card!

Bitchin' Camaro! Bitchin' Camaro!
Hey, man where ya headed?
Bitchin' Camaro! Bitchin' Camaro!
I drive on unleaded.

How come I can't find a decal of Calvin pissing on a Toyota symbol?

(I drive a Mustang, btw - but I'm happy for GM).

Chances are, if something can be pissed on, Calvin has pissed on it. That dude will piss on anything but a toilet.

http://versiononevinyl.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_15_45
Here's a link to Calvin pissing on many different corporate logos. CAT? There's a market for Calvin pissing on a CAT logo? I guess there are lots of people who really hate construction equipment and just need to show the world just how much.

The only place I see it anymore is on beat up pickups out in the sticks, just past bumpkinville.

I just now saw this. :)

This needs to be a case study for public option healthcare.

Well before GM received government bailout bucks.

:hi:

"I eat Chevys and shit Fords."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C9zanLcpXY&feature=player_embedded

"In fact, order a GT Premium with the TrackPack -- the only way to get the GT500-inspired suspension upgrades, 3.73 rear axle, dual-piston front calipers, recalibrated stability control system, plus the 19-inch wheels and tires that make the 2010 Mustang such a blast through the twisties -- and you'll pay about 1500 bucks more than you would for a 1SS-spec Camaro, which comes standard with Pirelli tires, Brembo brakes, a six speed manual transmission, and a 21st-century rear suspension."


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0907_2010_ford_shelby_gt500_chevrolet_camaro_comparison/index.html

As much as he loves the new Camaro his dream car is a '55 Chevy.

It seems the '57s and '58s get all the attention, but I think there's something a bit more regal about the styling of the '55 Chevys. I see there are some people here complaining about the fuel economy of the new Camaros. Well here is a '55 whose fuel economy is measured in GPM (gallons per mile).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIj2GVfua84

Some people are just that dedicated.

It was a beautiful car. My dad would buy nothing but stick shifts so I actually learned how to drive rather than aim. :)

It wasn't perchance a 283 fuelie, was it? That's one of my dream cars. With the 4 speed, of course :)

It wasn't fuel injected though and I don't remember if it had a two or four barrel carb. It had a standard on-the-column three speed transmission.

I was always a motorhead and I still am. Today's cars fall very short in style, model variety and performance for those of us who grew up in the 50s.

when the coyote comes out. We shall see where the camaro stands then.