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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:54 PM
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If I was a betting man I would bet that there won't be a healthcare bill
The republicans are irrelevent, they won't vote for ANY bill

Enough blue dogs in Congress will not vote for a bill that has a public option

and Progressives in Congress have drawn a line in the sand, if there is no public option, they will not vote for it

Even if they take the reconcilliation route I still think it will be a long shot since there are too many special interests involved
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:55 PM
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1. I'd bet you are wrong.
:)
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:57 PM
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4. Do you believe if it doesn't happen this year it isn't going to happen?
just curious
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:38 PM
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21. Pretty much. It isn't going to get easier in an election year or with possibly fewer Dems in
Congress after 2010.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:55 PM
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2. Ill take that bet
:)

It may not make a ton of people happy in the short term, and may make fewer happier later, but I don't think they would of stepped up to the plate again this time unless they were prepared to put something through
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:58 PM
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6. Then that implies that there will be a public option, and the blue dogs will vote for it?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:00 PM
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11. I think so
There will be some shiny trinket they label a "public option". How else will they hide the Nixonian reform?
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:56 PM
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3. kind of thinking the same thing.
But if the Dems behave as normal it will pass a bill without a public option and with an insurance mandate.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:05 PM
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16. That won't happen, because I think the progressives in Congress WILL
take a stand on this one
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madville Donating Member (743 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:57 PM
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5. I would take that bet since they will pass something
I'm not saying that "something" will be anything worthwhile, but they aren't going to let it appear like a defeat to President Obama. Whatever it is it will be presented as the best thing we have ever seen, dedicated to Senator Kennedy, and a victory will be declared, even if it makes things worse and costs everyone more money.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:00 PM
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10. I am not either, but I do believe that the progressives in Congress are more
principled than the blue dogs, or even the moderates in regard to the public option

In other words, the only chance it has is if the Democratics in Congress as a whole accept a public option
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:58 PM
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7. There will be a bill
and not all Blue Dogs are against the public option, just noisy uber conservatives like Ben Nelson and Landrieu. The rest were satisfied before the recess that the public option would have to negotiate with providers for prices on the same playing field that insurance companies have, that it wouldn't just be granted the same price structure Medicare has.

The Blue Dogs can't count and still think GOP support is needed, that's the main problem now.

I just hope the rest can count and know there will be hell to pay if there isn't a decent bill passed, preferably with a strong public option.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:01 PM
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12. That is effectively what I am seeing, no public option, no bill
I hope you are right
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:59 PM
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8. I have to agree
DOA.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:59 PM
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9. Good thing you aren't a betting man... because you'd lose

There will be a bill.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:02 PM
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13. With a public option? Because if there isn't, there won't be a bill /nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:02 PM
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14. Oh, there WILL be a bill .......
...... I'm just not optimistic many of us will like it.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:04 PM
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15. I am convienced that the only way progressives in Congress will vote for a bill
is only if there is a public option

so if you are correct that there WILL be a bill, it will have a public option
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:11 PM
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17. .... if you're correct .....
...... not arguing ...... just saying .......

:hi:




By the way, I sure hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:41 AM
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25. We will shortly see, and you are right, I hope there is a public option, and we like it /nt
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:51 PM
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18. I'd bet
that if a bill ever passes it won't do shit for me.

Haven't seen a doctor for any reason in well over a decade and have come to realize that many Dem officeholders as well as Republican officeholders are fucking corporate whores. I'm a throwaway. And even though Dems control both houses of Congress and the Presidency they don't have the political will to actually do something like reform healthcare which would serve the public good.

Meaningful healthcare reform is my line in the sand. If Dems can't deliver then I'm done with 'em.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:20 PM
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19. Where are you going? I might consider going with you.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:23 PM
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20. Oh, there will be a bill passed and it will be called healthcare.
It just won't amount to a hill of beans.
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samrock Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:42 PM
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22. I agree with the OP..

No health care bill will pass.. UNLESS Obama pushes for 1 with a Public Option and allows the senate democrats to use reconcilation..
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 06:33 AM
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23. If Obama and the Democrats cannot get healthcare reform now with their majorities
when will they ever get it? If healthcare reform fails, the Republicans have much reason to rejoice because they will have the sure method to thwart Democrats for years. It just makes us look pathetic.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 06:35 AM
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24. There will be a healkthcare bill with a moderate public option
DU haters and bitter old Clintonites will cry that it is not a "strong" public option, because they will essentially have been wrong and exposed as panic-mongers...AGAIN.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:43 AM
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26. I don't know about that, but I would be pleasantly surprised if their is a bill with a public option
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