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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:38 PM
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Kerry positions self as Kennedy's political heir
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 09:36 PM by cal04
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090903/ap_on_re_us/us_kerry_health_care

Sen. John Kerry is positioning himself as the political heir to Edward Kennedy, pledging to thousands of people attending his town hall meeting in Massachusetts that he would fight for the health care overhaul championed by his colleague.

More than 2,000 people turned up Wednesday night for Kerry's first public meeting since Kennedy's Aug. 25 death from brain cancer.

A line of supporters and opponents of health care reforms snaked out of the Somerville high school and down two blocks.

Kerry invoked the memory of Kennedy, saying he would follow his example of fighting hard for his principles and seeking political compromises that serve national interest.




video from NECN
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Politics/2009/09/02/Sen-Kerry-takes-lead-on/1251941624.html


Kerry hosts town hall meeting in Somerville
Compared to some of the other town hall meetings which have taken place nationwide in recent weeks, it was a veritable love-fest for Sen. John Kerry
http://www.metro.us/us/article/2009/09/03/04/0843-72/index.xml


Mostly friendly crowd greets Kerry at Somerville town hall
(snip)
"Obviously we're going to have a difficult time on the public option debate," he said. "But that doesn't mean we won't fight the fight."

(snip)
An Arlington woman asked why Kerry and other Democrats weren't pushing for a single-payer system, in light of rising health care costs, prompting the senator to invoke the memory of his late colleague.

"Even our good pal Ted Kennedy after 46 years of trying to close this deal was not arguing for single payer," he said, later adding, "The simple reality is the we do not have 60 votes."

http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/somerville/2009/09/mostly_friendly_crowd_greets_k.html
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:39 PM
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1. Good for John !
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:41 PM
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2. Yes!
He is the right guy. He's got the credentials, and the hair.
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Lorax7844 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:31 AM
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42. Look I love John Kerry and worked my ass off for him in 2004
but even his ass voted to repeal Glass-Stegal. I fully support his efforts if he is going to do the right thing, he needs to get out of bed with the bankers first.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:42 PM
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3. You go John!! n/t
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:42 PM
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4. Never happen. He doesn't have the charisma or "just folks"
attitude that Ted had.

He lost me when he said Manny Ortiz was his favorite Sox player. Kind of like, "All those Hispanics are the same to me.".
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:48 PM
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7. Wow, you've never misspoken or confused two people's names?
Clearly, you are a superior specimen and should run for Ted Kennedy's Senate seat. :eyes:
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:52 PM
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11. He was trying to show what a great Sox fan he was,as if that would
matter to the voter.

And yes,I am definitely a superior specimen who has never made a mistake. Ever !!! :-)
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:43 PM
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5. Well, Time Magazine said that Teddy and Kerry had discussions on this
over the past year and Teddy did offer a http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1917460,00.html">lot of counsel to his colleague of many years:

On a hot August afternoon in 2008, Ted Kennedy took John Kerry sailing on his 50-ft. schooner, the Mya.It was a perfect day on the water, sunny with the occasional cotton-ball cloud riding the strong winds over the family compound in Hyannis Port, Mass. With the Mya's blue hull moving at a good clip, Kennedy turned to his old friend with reminiscences of failed campaigns past: Kennedy's bid for the presidency in 1980 and Kerry's in 2004. What concerned Kennedy, who three months earlier had learned he had a malignant brain tumor, was legacy — Kerry's legacy.

"John, you're where I was after I decided I wouldn't run for President," Kennedy said. "You've got the seniority. You've got the network around the country. You've got all the benefits of having campaigned around the country. You've got 20 years ahead of you in the Senate if you want it, and now no one can question your motives. You can write your own ticket here."
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:45 PM
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6. Yeah, but first he'd need to grow
a spine and some much bigger balls before it'd even begin to work.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:49 PM
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8. More
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:23 PM
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18. thank you ProSense
:hi:
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:50 PM
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9. This is something the voters will decide, not Kerry.
Surely somewhere there is a Democrat more suited for the job than Kerry.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:51 PM
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10. Huh? Kerry is backing the public option. What more should be asked of him?
I live in CT... I would trade Lieberman in a second for the Senator in the next state over.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:56 AM
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32. **crickets**
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 12:57 AM by politicasista
They seem to chirp when the real questions are asked.
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:18 PM
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17. Umm, I hate to break it to you, but Kerry DOES have Teddy's
position now by default: Senior Senator from Massachusetts, and yes, we decided last November that John Kerry is eminently suited for the job. We reelected him. The person we will elect to be Junior Senator from Massachusetts will be extremely qualified but will have not have the seniority or clout Kerry has in the Senate. That is something the new Senator will have to earn over time.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:52 PM
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12. Except that Kennedy was a fighter..
... and Kerry remains a milquetoast. He is incapable of replacing Ted.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:55 PM
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13. And Kennedy knew
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:54 AM
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30. People on DU talk a good game about being a "fighter"
but when the time comes to fight, they can't say that to the senator's face so, they run and hide behind the anonymity of their keyboard spewing insults.

I think Uncle Ted would SHH at this thread.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:02 PM
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14. No one replaces Ted
And Teddy had his moments when he was not in the thick of a fight he could have been in. (Clarence Thomas confirmation hearing, Teddy's mistakes on No Child Left Behind and other things.)

Teddy wasn't perfect. No one is. But he was damned good a lot of the time. So is John Kerry.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:03 PM
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15. some pics
http://media.npr.org/images/ap//AP_News_Wire:_US_News/1_APTOPIX_Kerry_Health_Care.sff_300.jpg

Health care reform supporter Billie Jo Joy, of Cambridge, Mass., arrives for a town meeting discussion on Health Care wearing a dress made of boxing gloves at Somerville High School in Somerville, Mass., Wednesday, Sept. 2, 2009.



http://media.npr.org/images/ap//AP_News_Wire:_US_News/2_Kerry_Health_Care.sff_300.jpg
Somerville residents Gladys Maged, left, and Liane Curtis hold signs in support of Health Care reform as members of the LaRouche Political Action Committee sing with a sign depicting President Obama as Hitler before a town meeting on Health Care at Somerville High School in Somerville, Mass., Wednesday, Sept. 2, 2009.


http://media.npr.org/images/ap//AP_News_Wire:_US_News/4_Kerry_Health_Care.sff_300.jpg
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., speaks during a town meeting on Health Care at Somerville High School in Somerville, Mass., Wednesday, Sept. 2, 2009.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112498370
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:11 PM
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16. Thanks for the post. n/t
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:32 PM
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19. Kerry is no Kennedy. Could never be. Kennedy was tough. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:38 PM
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20. You know nothing about Kennedy, and even less
about Kerry

I'm sure Kennedy's words carry more weight on Kerry's character than yours.

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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:51 PM
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23. All I remember is I knocked myself out for Kerry....
And Kerry did not fight back. I will never go down that road again for Kerry.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:19 PM
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26. No one is asking you to.
Despite the people who continue to make pronouncements like yours, Kerry was Obama's best surrogate and did a tremendous job campaigning to get him elected.

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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 07:17 PM
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46. Fine. But he let down everyone who worked hard for him. The facts. nt
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:56 PM
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24. LOL, you know nothing about Ted Kennedy
or what he thought about or who he liked or disliked.

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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:40 PM
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21. Kerry should have advocating for Kennedy's plan all along
What has prevented my Senator from taking a leading role in the healthcare debate before now? Isn't he on Max Baucus' Senate Finance Committee. Where is his voice?

I wrote him a letter a couple of weeks ago about health care. His answer was very mealy-mouthed and seemed to favor a Massachusetts-type plan. Lord help us! Employee mandates. A huge cost gap between health care for poor and children (free or nearly free and comprehensive) and the middle class working stiff and small business person (expensive for comprehensive and affordable for high deductibles and co-pays). Penalties for young workers who aren't insured. A report in the Boston Globe three weeks ago documented the fact that co-pays for many of the "affordable" policies are so high for middle class families that many are now avoiding doctors and tests to save money.

The Massachusetts experience with health reform holds valuable lessons for federal reform. Our state has the lowest number of uninsured in the nation due to reform efforts that included: expanded public programs; the development of new insurance standards; subsidized insurance to those with low income, the creation of an insurance exchange for private plans; maintaining safety net hospitals and health centers; and a requirement that individuals and employers each have a responsibility to contribute to health care costs.


What state do you live in, Sen. Kerry? You did not even mention a strong public option in your response.

At one point, there were reports that Kerry had stated, in a closed session, that he would support a long delay (10 years) in implementation and/or a "trigger" before offering a public option. Shoot me now!!! I easily believed the report because of Kerry's public silence about the issue and his omission of any mention of a public option in his letter. The non-specific denial issued by his office the next day was not very comforting.

I hope he does speak out. And I hope it isn't too little, too late.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:57 PM
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25. You haven't been following the debate that closely, Kerry has been out there
Health-Insurer Tax Gets ‘Intense Look’ in Senate, Lawmakers Say


JUDY WOODRUFF: So just, quickly, back to my question, though. If you could just answer: What do you think is the method of paying for what's over and above the savings that has the best shot of passing?

SEN. CHRIS DODD: Well, I think what Senator John Kerry has recommended today, you've mentioned it at the outset of the program. It's the subject of conversations in the Finance Committee, has some real possibilities.

Sharing that cost in ways that the industry itself could help pick up. It seems to me that, plus the savings that Doug Elmendorf mentioned, by the way, in the Budget Committee. When Sheldon Whitehouse raised the issue about savings, he acknowledged that that could help reduce these costs substantially. Don't discount that point.

link


On Monday, Obama met with Douglas Elmendorf, director of the Congressional Budget Office, and a handful of economists to "make sure we had exhausted all the possibilities that could help on the long-term deficit picture," Orszag said. Elmendorf delivered a serious blow last week to the House effort, along with a separate Senate health committee bill, when he testified that the measures could raise long-term health costs.

Orszag also said the White House is open to a proposal by Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), a Finance Committee member, to tax insurers for very generous health policies. The idea is a variation on a provision that Baucus, Grassley and others on the committee had pushed: to tax beneficiaries who receive generous policies through their employers.

Obama staunchly opposed taxing beneficiaries as a candidate, and on Monday he threatened to veto a bill that targets individuals. But Orszag said the White House was open to the Kerry alternative, noting a fee on high-value policies would "create an incentive for companies to create more efficient plans."

A senior House leadership aide said Democratic lawmakers there were keenly interested in the Kerry provision, along with other revenue measures with consensus support in the Finance Committee, to replace the wealth surtax that Baucus and others have already declared dead on arrival. "Our guys want to see some movement there," the aide said. "They're loath to vote on a tax increase if it is not going anywhere in the Senate."

link


But some Democrats think Baucus and Conrad are wasting their time negotiating with Republicans. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), a member of the HELP Committee, suggested GOP senators are stringing the negotiations along in hopes of killing Democrats’ healthcare reform initiative.

“I think delay has been the Republicans’ friend,” said Brown. “That’s how these things are always defeated: delay, delay, delay, and then it’s too late.”

Even after Reid gets the bill out of his chamber, some expect the real work will begin when House and Senate negotiators hash out a final agreement in conference.

“This is inevitably a process of compromise,” said Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), a member of the Finance Committee who supports the public option and is expected to offer amendments to Baucus’s draft. “The most important thing to me is to get a bill to the Senate floor and get a bill that passes the Senate to conference.”

House Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) agreed with Kerry.

“They pass what they do, we pass what we can do and we go to conference,” Slaughter said.

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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 11:57 PM
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27. I have been following this issue as closely as one can follow . . .
the ever-changing proposals that have come to light. I repeat that Kerry, who is my representative, has not been out front on this issue. What he does behind closed doors - I haven't a clue. Sure, his tax proposal is an interesting way to bring costs down. But unless the Senate bill includes a strong public option for everyone (especially small business owners, the self-employed, young workers, and others in the middle-class who are falling through the cracks), there will be no mechanism in place to keep the spiraling costs of private insurance premiums under control - at least, not without tough regulations that would be even harder to pass and more unwieldy to enforce.

Kennedy's bill is essentially a single-payer expansion of Medicare and Kerry is a long way from there.

From Ted Kennedy's Newsletter:
My “Medicare for All” plan will make health coverage available to every American by expanding Medicare to the under-65 population. All citizens will have the option of joining Medicare – a program which has earned the trust of the American people – or remaining in their employer-based plans. The plan will provide comprehensive medical benefits, including prescription drug coverage, and enrollees will also have the opportunity to choose any private insurance plan available to members of Congress under the Federal Employees Health Benefit program. The cost of “Medicare for All” will be significantly reduced by the substantial administrative savings generated from moving to a Medicare-style financing system.


Heir to Ted Kennedy? So far, Kerry has not supported Kennedy's plan, no matter what he says now. I guess he's beginning to talk the talk. I will believe him when he starts walking the walk. Does he even have the ability to play hardball with his colleagues? Does anyone owe him any favors? Does he have any campaign money left in his PAC to spread around? Is he willing to expose his Democratic friends who are in the pockets of the insurance companies? Hey, I hope so. But I kind of doubt it.

Do you work for Kerry? If you do, please tell him that expanding Medicare is what Kennedy wanted and his constituents would truly appreciate it if our other senator would pick up the torch that Ted could no longer carry.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:54 AM
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31. Facts never get in the way of
Kerry dumping.
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:44 AM
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44. or . . .
Kerry shilling
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:14 AM
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34. +1 - Kerry should have been advocating for Kennedy's plan all along
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:46 PM
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22. Great post! n/t
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:38 AM
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28. Kick. Based on the comments in this thread, Kerry must still be a threat
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 12:50 AM by politicasista
in some way. Looks like people have a problem with Kerry following behind Kennedy.

Their problem, not ours.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:20 AM
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35. You haven't read Shakespeare apparently.....eom
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:27 AM
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41. Nope.
Again, their problem. Not mine.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:38 AM
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29. delete. dupe n/t
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 12:38 AM by politicasista
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:10 AM
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33. In a sense, he is. He's the Senior Senator from the State of Massachusetts...
by default.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:28 AM
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36. That he is.. and "taking over Ted's place" is like
introducing yourself to a stranger and announcing that you are now their best friend.

maybe someday you would be their best friend, but after that proclamation, you might also be at the top of their list of potential stalkers to watch out for..


No one knows who will carry the torch..possibly no one person will..

Kerry never struck me as a populist.. Kennedy always seemed to be one..

I'm not sure one can re-create and remold their senate history.

In an odd way, Al Franken..the new guy, might be the one who ends up carrying the populist torch..

time will tell:)

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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:42 AM
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37. Very astute observations.
Personally, I don't think anyone could carry Ted's "torch" in the way he did, and knowing Kerry's roots I'd be hard pressed to call him a populist.

Would that he had Ted's charisma though, because armed with that I'm sure he could get elected to the Presidency.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:47 AM
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38. Me thinks that people in this thread
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 02:12 AM by politicasista
have a real problem with Kennedy talking to Kerry and vice versa. That must really frighten some people.

If it was Al Franken (he will do some good too), Feingold, Kucinich or any other favorite liberal touted on the liberal blogs, you would not see half the snark and insults that are in this thread. JMO.


I think Uncle Ted knew Kerry than a lot of people here at DU do. More power to him.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:53 AM
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39. Even though 'Uncle Ted' knew him, doesn't mean they were 'best friends' or
worthy 'torch bearers'.

Sometimes you've got to go with "the best available"....as Rummy so adroitly surmised :eyes:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:24 AM
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40. People have posted the facts about the relationship between Kerry and Kennedy
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 02:29 AM by politicasista
The point is that if this thread was titled "Franken/Feingold, Kucinich, or another favorite liberal positions self as Kennedy's heir", this thread would have a lot more praise and not half the snark and hatred like it is with Kerry.

Since people in this thread are screaming at Kerry for not being a fighter, it would be nice if people would list have the battles they have fought in their entire lifetime more than Kerry, who has stared death and evil in the face, fought/exposed more government corruption, and face down Nixon, Reagan, BFEE, etc.

But they can't, so they hide behind their keyboard slinging recycled Bush/Cheney 04 talking points instead of going after Senators who are on the fence regarding public option.

Yes, Ted Kennedy would be so proud of that and this thread. Really.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:36 AM
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43. Truth IS.....we proles no NOTHING of the inner struggles of powrful
moneyed people.

But we, PROLES, suffer the result of their struggle/outcome.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:45 AM
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45. hmm....i love kerry mostly and i think he can fashion himself after kennedy
especially now that he has no presidential ambitions
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