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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:59 AM
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Man's Finger Bitten Off in Scuffle at Health Care Rally
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 09:42 AM by kpete
Source: KTLA News

Man's Finger Bitten Off in Scuffle at Health Care Rally

KTLA News

4:08 AM PDT, September 3, 2009
Blood found near the scene of the rally


Man's Finger Bitten Off at Health Care Rally Man's Finger Bitten Off at Health Care Rally

THOUSAND OAKS -- A 65-year-old man had his finger bitten off Wednesday evening at a health care rally in Thousand Oaks, according to the Ventura County Sheriff's Department.

Sheriff's investigators were called to Hillcrest and Lynn Road at 7:26 p.m.

About 100 protesters sponsored by MoveOn.org were having a rally supporting health care reform. A group of anti-health care reform protesters formed across the street.

A witness from the scene says a man was walking through the anti-reform group to get to the pro-reform side when he got into an altercation with the 65-year-old, who opposes health care reform.

Read more: http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-finger-bitten-rally,0,7135717.story

.................

AND

Healthcare reform advocate punched (in the face) by opponent at Nelson event
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2009/09/healthcare-reform-advocate-punched-by-opponent-at-nelson-event.html
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:02 AM
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1. Great way to win peoples' hearts and minds
:dunce:
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:12 AM
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10. Read the story. The anit-reform asshole attacked the pro-reformer, hitting him in the face.
The bite was most probably an instinctive response to having a fist jammed in his face.

Are we not supposed to defend ourselves when physically attacked?
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yawnmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 04:03 PM
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28. we have our own Mike Tyson. eom
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:26 AM
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14. Surely ....
An AR15 burst would please you more ....

Im not sure WTF it is you want from us, but your support of the 'other side' is a tad frustrating ...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:37 AM
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17. I don't support getting into a physical altercation over political issues
It's hard to tell what actually happened from the sketchy article, but generally a physical fight starts when one person escalates a verbal confrontation by throwing the first punch.

I can't tell what actually happened, but it's hard to imagine biting off a man's finger being an appropriate reaction to just about anything. The proper response to being hit in the face is generally hitting back.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:03 AM
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2. This story stinks.
Looks like a set-up to me.

These people are CRAZY!
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:59 PM
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31. I wonder if the guy who bit the finger off
Is in any way related to that dim bulb who scratched the backward B into her cheek.

It could be a plant.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:04 AM
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3. Which of course begs the question...
DOES HE HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE?

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:06 AM
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4. 65? Dunno...when does medicare kick in?
He may have SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!!!
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:14 AM
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11. LOL! n/t
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:07 AM
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5. Naw, at 65 it's probably Medicare.
Y'know...
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:08 AM
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6. Guess the 65 year-old let Medicare pay for stitching his finger back on, while he's
against reform.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:18 AM
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13. One things really P's me off, people who are on Medicare and are against single payer.

They're like, "I've got mine, you eat shit and die."




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hmorehead Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:11 AM
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7. I know I've always wanted
to that to some clueless sanctimonious bastard waving his finger in my face.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:12 AM
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8. These wingnuts are getting out of control
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:12 AM
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9. I take it the perpetrator (the biter) was against health care reform-
liberals don't bite.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:14 AM
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12. No, in the story the 'biting' is attributed to the pro-reformer.
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 09:16 AM by Hugin
Although neither man has been identified... and the only 'evidence' that anything at all happened is 'blood drops' photographed on a 'sidewalk' somewhere.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:48 AM
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19. According to some reports this liberal did bite
The bitten had allegedly punched the biter in the face prior to the biting incident.

Several minutes later, there was another altercation. My best recollection is that this man saw what happened to the woman and reacted to it. I cannot say with certainty where he was when he saw it — he may have arrived and was navigating his way through that group, or he may have crossed the street to defend her. He was confronted by the same man. I could tell from where I was that the man was belligerent, angry, and confrontational.

The man in the orange shirt hit the pro-reform guy (I’m going to call him PR Guy just to keep the players straight). Hard. ( tweeted in real time) He punched him in the face, knocked him to the ground and into that thruway. As you can see from the photo, cars drive straight through that without stopping. The pro-reform guy could have been run over. He got up, tried to get back up on the curb, but Orange Shirt guy was in his face. Finger in his face, PR Guy standing, steps up to the curb, and there’s a scuffle. Orange shirt seemed to have PR Guy in a hold, but again, I was across the street, so won’t state that as absolute fact. Next thing I see is PR Guy’s hat being tossed into the street, both yelling at one another, then Orange shirt walks away, PR Guy picks up hat and crosses to our side.

When he gets to our side, he tells a story in one sentence: “He punched me hard, straight in the face, so I bit his finger off.”

Honestly, I thought he was exaggerating. I guess he wasn’t.
http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/03/health-care-vigil-in-thousand-oaks-provocation-to-violent-response/


The blog was really slow to load so be patient if you'd like to view the source.

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 12:24 PM
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25. Oh I do.
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 01:18 PM by YOY
I bite, kick, headbutt, and cheapshot...but I never hit first. I've heard people whining about it as fighting dirty but there is no honor in a forced fist fight...especially for the defender.

There's a former high school bully with a bitesized chunk of his leg missing and my teethprints around it.

I guess he though sitting on my chest and punching my face would be a good idea. I hope he still limps. He was the perfect HS Repug prototype.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:02 PM
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32. If you must fight
As my sifu says, fight to win.

The only honorable fight is one where you do not get hurt.
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:30 AM
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15. i hope he has health insurance
sorry; couldn't resist.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:16 AM
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20. not covered....
Plan excludes pre-existing political positions that result in injuries.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:30 AM
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16. Eww! Nawsty!
:puke:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:48 AM
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18. This will be their excuse.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:22 AM
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21. "socialized" medicare
pays to re-attach finger :crazy:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:28 AM
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22. hopefully the anti-reformer has good healthcare coverage
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 10:28 AM by fascisthunter
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:33 AM
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23. If I'm in a fight, and you get anything of yours near my mouth-
I'm biting it off. It's that simple.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:03 PM
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34. When I was on the SWAT team we had a saying...
... Give me a digit and I'll make you a midget.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:36 AM
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24. Well that was stupid.
What if the old man had Hep C or something?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:48 PM
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26. Neither man was identified? I call bs.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:52 PM
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29. The guy with 9 fingers left is William Rice, 65.
"The finger-biting incident occurred after Rice became involved in a heated discussion with a member of Code Pink, sheriff’s Capt. Ross Bonfiglio said.

After the argument, Rice returned to where his own group was standing. A man from Moveon.org’s area then walked over to the opponents and verbally confronted Rice, allegedly calling him names and acting aggressively, Bonfiglio said."

http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/sep/03/healthcare-reform-opponent-loses-part-of-finger/
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:03 PM
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33. 'Anyone with information about the incident can call Crime Stoppers at 800-222-TIPS.'
Perfect. :D



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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:04 PM
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35. Code pink?
That has got to be BS.

Those are not really big women. Of course many of them have nice choppers.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:54 PM
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27. Obama + Africa + old Tarzan movies + Cannibals = Socialism
wait until the next RW spin
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:54 PM
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30. If you go to the link the story has now changed.
Of course NOW it was the liberal who was the aggressor even though the other guy threw the first punch.
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