Will you please stop blaming the victim?

This is, of course, directed to all of those who just can't seem to keep themselves from going into threads about the two-year-old who was slapped repeatedly in the face by a total stranger... and making lists of reasons why it's actually the parent's fault that the child was assaulted.

You might as well go into a rape thread and start listing off reasons why the victim really could have done more to avoid it.


Unreal.

:D

you know this. :)

That baby has given me nightmares for years!

Interested to see what they do with the remake.

:applause:

I can't believe anyone on DU would support a Republican (<==new word for asshole) who would slap any child, let alone one who wasn't his own. What a Republican!

I knew it was popular to be nasty about/towards parents and children here... but damn... really?

Or do you think parents should only be allowed to go out in public when their kids aren't sick/teething/whatever?

And yeah, of course... here we go again... can't resist, still.

Restaurants and movie theatres however are different

Honestly...

who by some amazing super power find time to go to work school and raise the baby! I seriously don't know how they do it but they do.Sometimes they have to take the kid to walmart and would love to turn back and let their babies take naps but just don't have the time or a sitter

AND a kid... in that case, even if it IS a temper tantrum... do we really want to tell that woman that, 'well, sorry lady, but you're just gonna have to lose sleep and get your shopping done when it's more convenient for US because GOD FORBID we hear a crying kid!'

The selfishness / lack of consideration totally goes both ways on this one IMO.

If the tyke was around five and a brat it would still be inexcusable. I think most posters would never excuse what happened nor would carry out such "justice" they just are annoyed and forgot they were little terrors as well

does that make any difference at all?

:think:

ever had children? Just asking.

And I hope they have one bratty ass kid so they can see what it is like.

:shrug:

That's not the parent's fault.

Seriously? You can't possibly have kids.

ergo... crying is the only means of communicating the needs of the toddler to parent to have those needs met

go figure

merely a matter of parenting. who would have thunk... from beginning of time, that you have the answer

My kids as toddlers used to cry over nothing at the drop of a hat, often in public places, knowing I would hurry up and get the eff home. My 2-year-old twins would wriggle down from the cart and run up and down the aisles yelling 'wheee!'. I left them at home when I could, I did what I could to restrain then short of violence, but kids do stuff on their own without parental assent, they really do. If someone had slapped my kids, I would have gone ballistic.


And I cannot think of a time I've been in Mall-Wart without at least one crying babe. Such is life and the parents don;t always hold the cards.

material realities of human life are the ones to be faulted.

i don't go to walmart for some restful, quiet experience. (actually, i never go there, but not because i might meet babies.)

Little kids cry, especially when it's some awful, noisy place like Wal-Mart. It's not like the parent WANTS to take the kid in to intentionally annoy people.

2 YEARS OLD.

Just completely fucking wrong.

Again.

...to the ER too ;)

I have little doubt of your personal confidence in regards to who should or should not be slapped. Many people feel they have a de-facto position of moral righteousness and authority when it comes to other people's infants...

Usually they're called "fundies" on DU. But I imagine that even in the secular world, well-- six of one and half a dozen of the other, and all that...

to make her 2 year old stop crying? Or the mom should have abandoned her buggy full of stuff? Please explain why the mother should have been slapped. Come on, explain away.

Korean woman on a bus to quiet her crying baby, because they were trying to hide from the North Korean soldiers? The baby wouldn't stop crying, and nothing the woman did quieted the baby. Ultimately, in order to keep her baby quiet she covered its mouth tightly with her hand--and ended up smothering it to death.

Babies and very young children are simply not always controllable to that degree. Sometimes they undergo what's called "disentegration," where they just lose it and cannot be comforted. This is most likely to happen when the child is very tired, and in fact, some babies and toddlers pretty much always undergo that falling apart process as they unwind into sleep, even at home, at least until they get a bit older.

It is posssible but by no means certain that the child was being bratty, but even if she was, that doesn't mean the mother could prevent it, and it certainly doesn't justify abusing the toddler--or assaulting or blaming her mother.

My guess is that the little girl was jut very tired and stressed, and maybe hungry to boot, and the mother was trying to get all her errands done and get her home as quickly as she possibly could. The mother wasn't enjoying the kid's crying either, I assure you!

The parents? I would think the child is the victim here.

Blaming the parent is equally wrong.

:applause:

There can be no excuse for that creeps behavior. None. He's lucky it wasn't my child, my wife would have sent him to the ICU.

I would have done a hell of a lot more than just scream at him. Call it a character flaw, but there it is.

It is not unusual for my wife and I to split up when we go shopping and meet up at checkout. If someone pulled that crap on her there's a good chance I might have been in the store too, which would have made it a very, very bad day for that guy. :grr:

On this, I do not waver.

Me personally, I'll blame the self-centred, spoiled asshole who hit the child.

Sadly it seems there are a whole bunch of DUers who see fit to blame the parent.

It's shameful.

Make that: self-centered, spoiled asshole future convicted felon who hit the child. Throw the book at him.

Two-year-olds cry in public. If you can't stand it, step away.

some place like that... I can see expecting the parent to remove the kid... but while shopping? I think that's pushing it. Especially because sometimes it's not just because the kid is thorwing a temper tantrum... sometimes it's more than that, and none of us are in a place to judge. IMO.

I had just changed her diaper, so I knew she was bone dry. I was feeling her forehead for fever, checking her arms for scratches (to see if the cat had taken a swipe at her when I was using the restroom) and I finally decided to check her diaper again to see if she had had one of the rare non-odoriferous stools. I found her pacifier firmly lodged in her rectum. Apparently she had somehow flipped it behind her in the baby seat and it slipped down the back of her diaper. She was pretty darn upset. :D

(sorry for the thread hijack)

Aw ... poor little baby!

as a mom...there are many times I have to proced to get the shopping DONE...nobody else is going to do it, and the kids just have to tough it out' sometimes...

They would have had to peel m of that asshole, for sure...!

like I was saying above... I guess some people really are so selfish that they'd force a busy single mom to juggle her schedule rather than force them to suffer the crying / temper tantrum of a child.

Not that this situation only involves busy single moms... but why assume? Why is it such a big deal anyway? When it's in a store, and not a theater or a restaurant... I don't get the outrage.

We only had one car a lot of the time when my kids were small. I was too poor to be able to hire a babysitter and didn't have any friends that lived close by, so I had to take them with me. I hope that woman sues him and wins big.

TOP of his lungs that he wants a toy. Mom says something about him having enough toys, little boy screams, kicks the cart, will NOT shut up. Mom pays, kid is still screaming, so she says, "Ok, we'll go back and look at the toys." Kid immediately shuts up. Good mother?

I'm not defending the guy who slapped the kid...it wasn't his place...but I know the irritating feeling to have to listen to that shit.

while I do agree with you that that is a pretty cut-and-dry example... that kind of shit has NO PLACE in a thread about a man assaulting a fucking toddler. Clear?

It is rationalizing his actions, whether those doing it want to admit it or not.

...but some people shouldn't be parents.

different topic altogether... no place in a thread about a man assaulting a toddler.

:rofl:

in a thread about a rape, then I guess you'd have no problem with people changing the subject this way.

Glad you entertain yourself... at least.

spell edit

People calling the parent's skills into question are hardly off topic or hijacking the thread. They are justifiably questioning why the toddler may have been crying in the first place. I've witnessed some screaming fits that were obviously not the result of a sick or tired child, but a demanding brat who's been 'taught' that if you scream loud enough, long enough, the parent will cave.
Though I wouldn't condone hitting someone's kid, I understand the infuriated frustration on the part of the man who did.

If she didn't actually take the kid back to see the toys, she did good because she shut him up and then he ended up not getting his way anyway.

but IMO lying to kids to shut them up isn't exactly good parenting. Just tricking them into shutting up won't help at all in the long run. It's taking the easy way out, and makes the parent's job harder, actually... because you're only reinforcing the behavior.

throwing a fit, that you can just screw them over and do it your way anyways.

I know a woman who used to use a tactic like that. She told her kid he couldn't have toys cause she thought they might be stolen goods, and they couldn't be buying stolen goods. He's a teen now, and still as self-centerd as he could be. Of course.

wanted the kid to STFU so you told him what he wanted to hear, and that he should refrain from doing that in the future or he will face harsh disciplinary actions. Then everyone's happy.

It also teaches them that lying is OK, an acceptable tool to use to manipulate others as long as you think the ends make it justifiable.

I don't think that could ever be considered good parenting.

I have never been in Target and experienced the level of common, ill mannered, or downright trashy people I encounter at Walmart, so there must be something in play. I have shopped at Walmart while a child SCREAMS, somewhere in the grocery section, the entire time. Not always one or the same child. Sometimes it sounds like the monkey house at the zoo with the sound bouncing off the hard floors and high ceilings.

And I see these women, with children out of control, talking on the cellphone or chatting with the companion female. It's always women. You never see men with continuously screaming kids. The kids with the men are behaving. Why is that?

This is painting with as broad a brush as I've seen. I posted on an experience I had with a couple and a child of about 7 or so, throwing a tantrum because she wanted a different grocery cart than the one the mother was using. This lasted about 1/2 way through the store,and it was at kroger. I was just shopping at meijer yesterday and I told my SO that they never ceased to disappoint me. The employees and customer base are ALWAYS rude and crude because IMO they think they are to good to shop at walmart.I go there for one thing and one thing only because they carry a brand of ketchup I like and no one else in town does. I go, I stock up and avoid it, like the plague, there after.

I accept that I shop at Walmart because I am too much of a slacker. I accept that if I would get off my ass and use my near genius IQ for something more profitable than arguing on bulletin boards then I would NEVER shop at Walmart again. I accept that what happens to me at Walmart is my responsibility.

None of which alters the fact that my local Walmart has the most ill mannered and trashy people of all the local grocery stores on any given visit. And I think some of it is by design. When I go to Target or Publix or Sweetbay, there is no blaring PA system, no clash of music, informercials, and various unnecessary noises from the electronics department. Walmart is designed to appeal to people who have the TV on during every waking hour. Walmart is designed for people who like clutter, distraction, and crazy. I simply do not experience the sort of people on a consistent basis at any other store than Walmart. And I accept that I choose to go to Walmart, and that putting up with those people is the price of saving money.

"Walmart is designed for people who like clutter, distraction, and crazy." Well said.

"The employees and customer base are ALWAYS rude and crude because IMO they think they are to good to shop at walmart"

:rofl:

Your IMO prefaced your explanation for that, not the comment itself.

I fail to see how that comment is any different from the earlier comment ("I have never been in Target and experienced the level of common, ill mannered, or downright trashy people I encounter at Walmart") to which you objected.

doesn't have a corner on this believe me. I've worked in 3 different grocery stores and the customers are all the same, they think they are the only ones who matter and fuck every body else. Of all the jobs I've held,I would go back to walmart first.

Damn those vapid, poor, trashy women chatting with companion females and using their phone at Wal*Mart with their SCREAMING child. Why couldn't they just be a man at Target the way God intended?

chores with kids; and only take their kids shopping when/ if said kids are old and sensible enough to behave themselves? Mum doesn't usually have that luxury.

That's a generalization too of course. And in fact I've seen quite a few screaming kids with their fathers.

Keep up the good work asswipe...

shut him up, got what you wanted.

bad lesson for the kid, though.

Me either.

There are sometimes reasons that parents use unusual tactics.

Is that who you're referring to?

I'm simply pointing out that the poster knows almost nothing about the situation, certainly not enough to pass judgment on mom's parenting tactics.

not assholes who assault children.

why am I even surprised... when even progressives / liberals / Dems / whatever decide to change the subject in the exact same way.

*sigh*

oops

people with poorly behaved children (not that I have seen anything that says this was the case, like it matters) is a fact of life. THE STORY here is a asshole (psycho?) who slapped a two-year-old in the face, repeatedly. Jeeez.

That should be the topic of conversation. Talk about people who are out of control!

Hats off to the other shopper who restrained the guy and hats off to the local DA for charging this guy with a felony. I know this has been said over and over, but had that been one of my kids, what I did to him would be the news story.

:grr:

Of course the problem, according to them, is that kids are not properly and completely controlled. Right. x(

What about the asshole who is old enough to presumably be able to control himself. He's old enough that he's absolutely legally responsible for controlling himself. Why the hell isn't CNN talking about THAT?

:wtf:

I usually tried to finish up as fast as I can and leave.
Geez. Should kids been seen and not heard?
Anyone hear of the terrible 2's or has it been too long since they had kids or never had kids before.
My girls are 4 and 5 now and the tantrums are gone but back at 1 and 2 or 2 and 3 it was hard to take them place.

And no, I would not have been allowed to assault the ears of the Colonial Store for the full course of grocery shopping.

I"m glad everyone here is a great parent, but I think some of the folks here don't live in the real world.

Yep... you're quite right... "some people" don't seem to live in the real world. I think we'd disagree on who'd be in that group, though.

Just go on letting people manipulate you.

How is anyone being manipulated?

I'm calling out the people who are attempting to change the subject, and rationalize the actions of a man who assaulted a toddler. That's it.

Really.

One can only imagine how you'll sound a year from now -- if you're still here...

pick up diapers or formula FOR the kids. I was not going to leave.
Some parents let the kids get away with whatever they want...those kids are not the ones crying. When you tell your kids no and do the right thing and they cry you get slammed.

I'd be looking for bail about now and he'd be one dead Rethug.

I hope it never happens to me because I'll probably not see the outside world for several years.

I've left restaurants and theaters when my kids were being loud or crying, but I am guilty of shopping with a crying child a few times in my life.

There are times when you absolutely don't have the luxury of dropping everything and leaving or making all your shopping trips without kids. I had very little support from family when my kids were younger and couldn't always plan trips to the store for times when my husband was home to watch them.

And as for why 2 year-olds cry, it's often because developmentally they lack language skills to express their needs/ frustrations and they lack impulse control. I loved when my kids were that age, but I also remember how quickly the happy, bubbly, charming toddler could turn into a crying, inconsolable mess. Unfortunately, you can't always predict the time or place for the meltdown.

Redqueen, I'll bet you are one of those kind strangers in the grocery store who offer a kind smile or a few words of understanding when you see a parent trying to cope with a crying child. I always appreciated people like that and try to pass on that simple act of kindness now that my kids are older.

I know how embarrassing and frustrating that is.

Sad to know how many DUers would want to slap me in the face... or consider me unfit to be a parent, were I in those parents' shoes.

the occasional crying baby should not going out in public where they might encounter one. How about that for a solution?

If you are so damned anti-social, over-sensitive, and so prone to irritation and violence that a young child is going to set you off then stay home!

Babies cry. Toddlers cry. Young children occasionally cry. Kids make noise. People don't learn how to manage prolonged silence until adulthood. If anyone doesn't understand this by now they are total %@%#&! idiots!

:thumbsup:

It's one thing to get upset when it's in a theater, or a nice restaurant... but Wal Mart / grocery stores / etc... that's just stupid.

...you'll find people who also think it's acceptable in a theater or nice restaurant.

Just saying.

Jesus.

to the same person, twice?

I posted one reply in this thread until now. Then you proceeded to reply twice to me. Are you trying to be funny?

I also didn't change the subject. YOU mentioned theaters and restaurants, and I'm telling you there are people who say no one should be bothered by a screaming child there either.

The guy slapping the kid is a goddamn criminal and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But I'm pointing out that even the limits of your social sensibilites set in your previous post will and have been questioned by some.

we agree about the restaurants and theaters... whether there are people who defend that is immaterial.

It's a busy thread, mea culpa.

embarrass everyone by constant complaining/ etc. in a theatre or a nice restaurant.

I don't think that a theatre or nice restaurant is the most suitable place for a toddler; - but the one time I really sank through the floor in a nice restaurant was when one of the guests kept sending her food/wine back with trivial complaints. That was much more irritating than a toddler acting his/her age IMO.

Similarly people always complain about babies and toddlers crying on a flight; but I'd take a crying baby any day over the drunk adult who once delayed my flight's takeoff for an hour by acting belligerently to the staff, and refusing to get off when ordered.

I get annoyed when people at the next table get mouthy with the servers.

and frankly I've been much more irritated in my time by impatient/ queue-jumping/ generally difficult *adults* in public places than by crying babies or toddlers.

someone would, no doubt, defend that creep's criminal behavior. I've seen people here defend the clubbing of baby seals and tazering of old women.
:shrug:

no matter how unjustifiable many of us might think it is. :(

It's very sad how widely violence of any kind is accepted. There is always a group of people with rationalizations.

It is the basis of bigotry towards the homeless, towards the poor, towards those without proper healthcare, towards rape victims, and in this situation here.

But only one of many sources.

Bigotry of all forms is always reinforced by blaming the victims. In this case, an arrogant man felt he had the privilege as a man to dictate what's right to a woman. That's sexism as blatant as you'll see. He felt entitled to use violence on defenseless kids. That's machismo and sexism too. Anyone who buys into the sexism is likely to defend him, and there are a whole lot of sexist people here.

That sexism saturates our society from a lot of sources. Puritanical religion is certainly a major source of it, but hardly the only source. :(

...assholes blaming people with developmental disabilities like Asperger's and Dyslexia for being "lazy" and making "excuses". :grr:

.... too good to be there or to associate with Walmart's clientele.

and anyone who cannot abide crying children should avoid shopping at WalMart except late at night when most kids are asleep.

But mostly the horrible children inspire me to want to tell their parents to pay attention to their kids, deal with the situation, and get off the fucking cellphone. How can they do that? I can't even have a conversation with a dog barking, and these women (and it's always women) can chat away with a kid pulling on them and crying "Mommy , Mommy, Mommy..../"?

I have been tempted to slap the parent. Yes I have.

...nobody is blaming the child, so I'm not really sure what you are talking about.

Anything else is an attempt to rationalize the behavior of a man who assaulted a toddler.

You should change the title of your post because it is genuinely confusing.

BTW, I agree. The only person who deserves blame is the assailant.

I was pissed off and not thinking clearly.

Cause seriously... wtf?

Kids cry sometimes. It's in their nature to do so. They don't know any better.
I didn't see this story, but it's disturbing to hear how it's being treated
by the idiot media, defending the asshole hitting someone else's kid...
My biggest question: Why would Michael Steele shop at walmart?

Someone should slap the fucking mainstream media.
Repeatedly.




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it's bad enough for a parent to slap their own kid like that, but a stranger?!

It's more likely a larger frustration with the general state of things in this country. Every generation might say this, but it doesn't mean it isn't true: American manners are in a poor state.

Go into a grocery store, and be blocked in the aisle following or confronted by the Sister Act: two women with two carts and four or more children (not counting the baby in the cart) slouching down the aisle aimlessly, no idea or care that they are being rude by blocking the aisle and not keeping their troop in order.

People who either don't know or don't care about the simplest of traditions, like how to go up and down a public staircase.

People who sit at green lights to finish dialing their call.

People who floor it at green lights without checking for stragglers or emergency vehicles.

People who never bothered to learn how to do a four way stop or roundabout.

People who do not understand or respect why speaking softly and containing your conversation in public is good manners in places where noise levels build quickly.

People who do childish things. The other night, a grown man raced me (a limping man) for the cashier at the grocery store. I had ten things, he had a full cart. I almost asked him if he was proud of himself for beating out a disabled man. I feel certain he is completely unaware that he did this, and was at the time. Some people are like that.

But it all adds up. I deal with it. You deal with it, but some people don't deal with it all that well. Oddly, if they are diagnosed with something, everyone falls over himself to make excuses for them, if they are simply non-copers then they are assholes. In a world full of all kinds of people, the function of good manners is to keep the peace. Unfortunately, good manners got lumped in with pretense or elitism at some point, while others think political correctness is good manners and the other stuff is dated conventionalism or Victorian.

so they rationalize why the woman who was raped shouldn't have been wearing that.

:hi:

this mother so my child doesn't get slapped.

at some point . We all were. Your Mama probably has horror stories about you. Furthermore you cannot expect a two year old to know manners that comes at a later age.Yeah it is annoying but it is a fact of life. Some women don't have the luxury of a two parent household and have to drag the tyke along even though they probably don't. If it was a five year old throwing a tantrum in a restaurant it still is unthinkable to hit someone else's child.

A little autistic kid and Wal-Mart simply don't mix! :rofl:

complaining about in all of your above posts. If this were a perfect world we would know how to cope with each other faults but as it is all we do is place blame.

I have been saying for years that I am going to get my daughter, my daughter-in-law, my mother-in-law and any other women I could get, to join me in going to the hardware store and stand around in the aisle and talk just to get back at the men who do it at the grocery store. So you see it's not all one-sided as you seem to think.

not to mention: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6447064&mesg_id=6449089

And if I lived in Chinatown, then clearly I would be anti-Chinese.

Don't Delta me.

Maybe those deeply offended could start a petition

I would have come unfuckin' glued - I would have attached that man like a she-devil. Asshole.:mad:

Allow me to propose a scenario:

A college kid gets drunk, wanders around a bad section of town, and is beaten and robbed.

Desiring his attackers be arrested while also discussing HIS role in the incident (the behavior of getting drunk and wandering around town) is not an example of "blaming the victim".

are rationalizing the behavior of a man who assaulted a two-year-old girl.

Congrats for making up an analogy that soothes your conscience. Guess that works for you.

The victim of the attack is the child. The attacker is the man. The man is completely responsible for the attack on the child, and I haven't seen anybody here dispute that.

Another associated issue, which this incident brings to the surface, is parents who refuse to control their children's inappropriate behavior. I HAVE seen people address this issue, but discussing it does not equate with "blaming the victim" of the attack.


If being unable or unwilling to draw that distinction "works for you", that's fine...but expect some differing views if you start a thread like this.

I guess you've missed the nasty comments about women and children on this subject.

As for making up reasons why it's OK to change the subject, well hey... guess you're pleased with CNN making this story about parents, too. You just did it again... well done.

Anything to avoid talking about the real perp, I guess. Whatever works.

I have no star so I can't would love to see the results

FIND JUST ONE.

Period.

So there you go. Find it yourself.

I really have no better way to explain it than I already have, but perhaps if you take a step back from the actual event, you'll see that nobody is minimizing the wrongdoing of the man who hit the child, nor is anybody blaming either the child or the mother for the event.

Some people ARE discussing whether parents are too permissive with their children...but the fact that the man is solely to blame in this incident is a given. That's not "changing the subject" or "avoiding talking about the real perp". It's a discussion prompted by this event, engaged in by people who want to discuss a related issue.

You can choose to continue to be offended, but you might want to examine why you're so offended. I really don't think anything that's been said about this event warrants the outrage you express.

and changing the subject to discuss how women are too risky in their behaviors?

Please... I'm very curious. Explain how it's any different.

If somebody stated "She was dressed like a slut, so she deserved to be raped", THAT would be "blaming the victim".

If somebody stated "The kid was a brat, so the kid deserved to be smacked", THAT would also be "blaming the victim".


You seem to equate discussing related factors with blaming the victim and/or excusing the behavior of the assailant...and that simply isn't the case.

People are deflecting blame from the assailant by making lists of how bad parents can be sometimes.

It's disgusting.

You are willfully ignoring what the poster actually wrote.

And the rape example was nothing more than an attempt to silence dissent from the actual topic raised.

Exploiting rape victims to make a point on another issue is shameful.

:hi:

See my response to the OP.

No one's fault. There are some shitty parents out there, but anyone who is a parent knows what it is like to have your child start crying in stores. It bothers the parent more than anybody I can assure you. For someone to try to blame the mom here either has no children or is a major asshole.

:hi:

i don't give a shit who does the hitting, it is assault- and that man deserves to be prosecuted.

I haven't read the other threads Redqueen- but i thank you for standing up for this little one.

I AM a parent myself- my oldest son is now 26, and i raised my kids on my own for the last 15yrs. I'm not naive-


thanks again

:hi:

the nastiness aimed at parents and children isn't exactly new... but yeah... it was in every thread about this incident... and it was sickening.

:hi:

I'm still pissed off that my friend's rapist got off with a light sentence because his lawyer assassinated my friend's character and the jury bought it.

We are a sick, sick society. :puke:

Weren't you applauding the beating of that suspected sex offender a few weeks ago?

:eyes:

it's not exactly hidden. They can make comforting analogies to make it sting less... but it is what it is.

anymore without some busybody who knows better about parenting even though they do not have kids telling you that you are evil and 2)it's really quite difficult to get through a day without at least one temper tantrum from a toddler. You don;t need a cranky old man tantrum on your kid as well.

I do have a glorious history of leaving totally full shopping carts in stores and bolting with a screaming child. But not every parent can do that!

Pretty cut and dry really. You can nitpick about who the victim really was, or whether any blame could be placed elsewhere... but all you're doing is deflecting from the one person who is TRULY to blame.

No idea why anyone would want to do that, but there it is.

People have said (RIGHTLY) that the parent is responsible for removing a wailing child from the public, but NO ONE has suggested that, should the parent not do so, the child deserves to get slapped.

Your post is a lie.

Weren't you the one calling kids "cockroaches"?

If so, I can see how you might feel defensive.

You have yet to produce a post blaming the mother for her child getting slapped, and you certainly won't be able to produce a post from me calling kids "cockroaches".

You should learn how the internets work before you try and use them.

about this issue... it must be someone else on your side who used that term.

LOL... your sarcasm is so pitiful. I guess it makes you feel better though...

I'll PM you some links, since you seem to be very selective about what you're reading.

done for my family when I have the time between working and raising a child. And yes, I often have my child with me. I wonder how your mom did it all. Because it is surely always easy raising a child. They never cry and aren't dependent at all. And a you can surely reason with a 2 year old. They are most likely crying because of poor parenting. :eyes: Really? I understand there are circumstances where a crying child should be removed, but I guess I should leave my grocery cart full of groceries to leave because my child is pitching a fit that will more than likely soon pass. Not everyone has it so hunky dory. I have to feed my family, and if you are slightly inconvenienced in the grocery store because of it, then oh woe is you, you poor pitiful person.

(just so you know it is sarcasm) I admit this does require puttting your self in the shoes of others. I first read the orginal topic and thought about some brat then I realized some of the young mothers I work with have it harder than I and not alot of free time and then I realized that I too was a screaming crying baby once upon a time
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Swords or revolvers. If the baby apologized, then no duel.

:P

or a slap. Geez!

Perspective. Thanks.

and dismissed it as our current state of trollitude. No one permits a complete stranger to slap their kid in public unless they are completely mad, so the poster is most likely an infiltrator, IMHO.

Way to call them out though, K & R!!