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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 04:52 PM
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Some things about Thousand Oaks, the city where William Rice got his finger bit off.
I live in Ventura County, only about 30 miles from the location where William J Rice got his finger bit off yesterday in a scuffle at a town hall meeting about health care reform.

Let me tell you about Thousand Oaks. First of all, T.O. has historically been a rather wealthy city. They have also resisted efforts to build low-income housing, despite state and federal mandates, because the residents wish to "preserve their home values". Subsequently, Thousand Oaks has become home to a large number of reactionary freeper-types. It is also a bedroom community for cops, in much the way that Slimy - oops, I mean Simi - Valley is.

I would not be at all surprised if Mr. Rice started the fight and provoked the bitten-finger response. That's how his kind around here operates. He probably started the verbal altercation, as well.

I worked briefly as a civilian employee in the Ventura County Sheriff's Department, and part of my training was to sit-in with a dispatcher for a day, to familiarize myself with the communities and their calls for service. We received one call from a woman in Thousand Oaks, who reported, "There's a strange black man walking down my street, and I just *know* he doesn't belong here."

The dispatcher asked, "How's he dressed, ma'am?"

The woman replied, "He's in a suit."

The dispatcher said, "Is there a bus stop nearby?"

"Yes," said the woman, "What does that have to do with anything?"

The dispatcher said, "Have you considered that he's on his way to work, and that his car might be in the shop today? Sounds like he's a businessman to me."

And that conversation, folks, summarizes Thousand Oaks in a nutshell.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:07 PM
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1. Gotta love TO. Our own little pocket of Orange County-ism right here.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:09 PM
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2. It seems a lot of old actors die there
Just what I've noticed.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 03:35 PM
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22. And In Oxnard, where I am, old porn stars come to die.
More than a few, anyway.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:14 PM
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3. Yes, Rice started the fight
An eyewitness:


Next on the anti-reformer's harassment list was a pro-reformer who appeared to be in his late 30s or early 40s, was stocky, and several inches shorter than the 65-year-old. Though Kuns isn't sure how the pro-reformer ended up on the anti side of the street, she saw the two men face to face, exchanging words.

Then the anti-reformer in the orange shirt "punches him straight up in the face, right between the eyes." The smaller pro-reformer's glasses and hat flew off, and he fell into the street.

"I don't know who started it wordwise," Kuns said, "but I can tell you for sure that the guy who threw the first punch was the anti guy. And can he punch hard! He knocked this guy down into the street."

The pro-reformer got up. The anti-reformer tried to block him from standing on the curb. A short scuffle ensued, and it was unclear to Kuns who was doing what to whom. The anti-reformers surrounding the fighting men stayed back. When the fight ended, the pro-reformer crossed the street and announced to the MoveOn rally that he'd bitten the man's finger off.

"He was certainly not swaggering," Kuns said, referencing earlier reports saying he had been. "He was pissed and he was shaking."

"He was angry. His demeanor was what you'd expect from somebody who'd just been hit hard. He was defensive."



http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/eyewitness-tells-of-finger-biting-at-health-rally.php?ref=fpb

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:24 PM
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5. The blogger says she asked people to try to video tape
the incident. I hope someone did. I liked the comment in your link about 'giving a new meaning to 'he gave him the finger'.

This version of the story needs to get out as Mr. Missing Finger is whining all over the place about those nasty liberals. And here I thought liberals were 'wimps'.

Looks like Rice is a supporter of Socialism also as he apparently is covered by Medicare. I hope someone points out to him that he was there protesting programs like Medicare and maybe, if there is a brain cell functioning in his brain, he might begin to wonder what exactly he is protesting in the first place.
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:15 PM
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4. I lived in TO back in the early 90s
sounds like things haven't changed too much since then.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:28 PM
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6. face it, you just cannot trust somebody in a suit
That's a clear uniform for the oppressors.

Beware the suits. :scared:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:33 PM
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7. WOW....
so does this mean if you want the police to send a cruiser, you say it's a dude in blue jeans with some sort rope (tie) around his neck?
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:37 PM
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8. What's your point?
The dispatcher asked how the man was dressed for description purposes.

When elements of the story didn't add up, that's when she let the caller have it.

Please, try to keep up.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:38 PM
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9. Actually my sister lives there now, so there are decent folk there as well....
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 05:40 PM by cascadiance
She has been a little corrupted I'll grant you since moving there, having voted for Schwarzennegger, but she still has a pretty reasonable perspective, on most issues.

I did even hear my Mom say (who's living with her at the moment) that she heard recently that stats show they are in one of the safest communities around, so your note about it being a bedroom community for cops is probably not too far off base.

I guess Pepperdine isn't too far from there too, which is home to a lot of despicable wingnuts like Kenneth Starr.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:40 PM
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10. Yes, there are some good people there, too.
But they've elected some of the most reactionary fools to ever come out of California politics.

Google Tom McClintock and Tony Strickland should you get the chance. Both are idiots from T.O.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:43 PM
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11. They do have Waxman as their rep though...
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 05:45 PM by cascadiance
Though that can be good or bad depending on how you look at it. I've liked Waxman on many issues, but I still have a hard time forgiving him for not getting Sibel Edmonds to testify before his committee when the Dems took charge of the House, as he promised to do earlier. Perhaps it was pressure from people living in these very communities! Jane Harman's district isn't far from this either.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:53 PM
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12. No, Waxman represents Calabasas and Agoura Hills.
Elton Gallegly is the rep for Thousand Oaks. ANOTHER ultra-rightie. Real race-baiting slimeball. Good office staff, though.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:10 PM
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13. Ah, sorry you're right, she's actually in Westlake Village on the border...
and is still in Waxman's district. We go to Thousand Oaks for a lot of things when I visit and wrongly assumed that she was there rather than Agoura Hills.

So maybe all of those in Thousand Oaks are all scum! :)

I used to live in conservative districts like that in San Diego. I'm glad I moved north now!
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:34 PM
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15. An honest mistake, when all the cities in the area run together.
It's getting to be San Fernando Valley North.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:18 PM
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14. I lived in Newbury Park for 6.5 years in the 90's
Definitely had some strange right wing neighbors there too. Accused me of being from L.A. :rofl:. "We know your type." They said to me. :shrug:

I'm from Pgh. originally.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:35 PM
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16. Yeah, that sounds like T.O.
I had a college roommate from T.O. His dad worked for an opil company as a trader, and his mom was office staff for Tom McClintock. That was how I came to know the otherworldly craziness of Thousand Oaks folks.
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Beer on a stick Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:42 PM
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18. Nice generalizations that could be applied almost anywhere.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 02:02 PM
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21. Yeah, not really.
Not in this part of SoCal, anyway.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:44 PM
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19. Driving while black is not enough for some people I guess.
Using Public Transport while Black is cause for concern, too I guess.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:07 PM
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20. I live right near T.O. It's boring as hell, and people like it that way. They
keep re-electing Gallegly, who is a total waste of DNA, because they reflexively vote R. Most residents are not wealthy, but they consistently and unknowingly vote against their own self-interest because they're not very bright. It's a town of strip malls, chain restaurants, one college (Cal Lutheran), and a bunch of anemic, sluggish businesses with piss poor customer service. The pro-growth faction of the city council has seen to it that practically every inch of the place is occupied by an office building or McMansion. It's full of people who've fled the multi-culturalism of the San Fernando Valley. The high school prom is sometimes held at the nearby Reagan Library and nobody thinks that's weird. I know Gertrude Stein was referring to Oakland, but the same could be said of T.O. - "There is no there there."
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