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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:32 PM
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Fairy tales have ancient origin
Popular fairy tales and folk stories are more ancient than was previously thought, according research by biologists.

By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent
Published: 9:00PM BST 05 Sep 2009

They have been told as bedtime stories by generations of parents, but fairy tales such as Little Red Riding Hood may be even older than was previously thought.

A study by anthropologists has explored the origins of folk tales and traced the relationship between varients of the stories recounted by cultures around the world.

The researchers adopted techniques used by biologists to create the taxonomic tree of life, which shows how every species comes from a common ancestor.

Dr Jamie Tehrani, a cultural anthropologist at Durham University, studied 35 versions of Little Red Riding Hood from around the world.

Whilst the European version tells the story of a little girl who is tricked by a wolf masquerading as her grandmother, in the Chinese version a tiger replaces the wolf.

In Iran, where it would be considered odd for a young girl to roam alone, the story features a little boy.

Contrary to the view that the tale originated in France shortly before Charles Perrault produced the first written version in the 17th century, Dr Tehrani found that the varients shared a common ancestor dating back more than 2,600 years.

<snip> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6142964/Fairy-tales-have-ancient-origin.html
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:40 PM
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1. Really interesting
I'd love to see more about some of the other faerie tales.
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:21 PM
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6. Yes, I agree....
I remember hearing that "Cinderella" was traced back to a tale told by the ancient Egyptians....

:)
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:43 PM
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2. Haven't virtually all myths been handed down thru countless generations and endless countries?
This should not come as a surprise to anyone who has done any studying of the past..
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:58 PM
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3. It seems that we are always rediscovering the same truths
Joseph Campbell researched and wrote on the universality of story around the world. And he wasn't the first to figure this out.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:41 PM
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7. "The Uses of Enchantment" was printed by The New Yorker
Edited on Sat Sep-05-09 09:46 PM by Sal Minella
many years ago and explores the usefulness of these stories both to children who need to learn about the world, and to parents, who need to tell them.

Bruno Bettelheim was the author I believe.

Edit to add link:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://comminfo.rutgers.edu/~mjoseph/bettelheim.html&usg=__LVbIYNnHLSyzAf2cPf4_2WQsQk0=&h=250&w=256&sz=30&hl=en&start=12&sig2=0K7lfSZgPSLfniufIbF30Q&tbnid=0TXZ1vX1J0zbWM:&tbnh=108&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBruno%2BBettelheim%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG&ei=jSGjSsamM5GlnQeMuez8DQ
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:05 PM
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4. and...
creation stories among cultures are all very similiar... knowledge is a very good thing
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:15 PM
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5. I think faerie tales about 'faeries' are particularly old
My personal theory about all the 'mischievous little people' stories around the world is that they refer to agricultural societies dealing with nomadic hunter gatherers passing through.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:43 PM
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8. apparently these researchers have never heard about Archetypes or the Collective Unconscious
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:49 PM
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11. Yes, human nature has not changed and these stories could reflect
that nature from any age.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:52 PM
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12. Of course they have
Now, they've done the research that proves the theory holds water.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:02 AM
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17. Yes, I'm sure everyone got these stories from the collective unconsciousnes
Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 12:04 AM by Confusious
Rather then traders passing them on by stopping in different ports of call, from Europe to Egypt to Persia to India and on into China and back again.

Collective unconsciousness is such a more reasonable explanation. Why didn't they use it?!?!?!?
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:45 PM
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9. Stories are what we want in the world.
Edited on Sat Sep-05-09 10:22 PM by RandomThoughts
We write them wanting innocence to be protected and for integrity to be what is important.

We watch and read those stories wanting our lives to be part of the better part we recognize in many stories. Where people risk for what is better, and sometimes they reach what the better things are.

And sometimes people take the step to make what they can imagine, what actually happens, to realize the better stories can also be how we choose to live.

What a feeling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeZ5R3C5bzs

Rocky is another good example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwpN_kGKj_Q


The last Boyscout Trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LatLghA9Ig


For Alex the Doctor, Alex the Bartender, Alex the Nurse, Alex the Factor Worker, Alex the Cop, Alex the Fireman, Alex the Farmer, Alex the Priest, Alex the Salesman, Alex the Engineer...
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:48 PM
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10. Joseph Campbell
would have found this fascinating.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 10:47 PM
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13. as would Robert Graves who also wrote about it several decades ago.............
Edited on Sat Sep-05-09 10:48 PM by omega minimo
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:52 PM
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20. and Clarissa Pinkola Estes too...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 10:50 PM
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14. It's time for them to get up to speed.
They might find out that ancient fairy stories are pretty much in very mainstream religious stories.
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SpookyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 10:52 PM
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15. Very cool! Thanks for posting that. :-)
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 11:32 PM
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16. Dragons, the Great Flood and Eve. n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:47 AM
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18. That is very interesting!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:48 PM
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19. kick
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:57 PM
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21. Thanks. Interesting!
One can clearly recognize elements of Snow White and Sleeping Beauty and Beauty and the Beast (and some say, Cinderella, although I don't see it) in the ancient Greek myth about the god Eros and the maiden Psyche.
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