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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:37 PM
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I'm a little confused: Did the bailouts actually accomplish anything?
I keep hearing about how the stimulus is starting to reveal itself as a successful program. But I haven't heard much about the effectiveness of the bailout program.


Did it work? Or did it just help a bunch of rich assholes make off with more money?
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:44 PM
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1. Yes!
In an alternate universe there was no bailout and the economy totally collapsed. The world economy collapsed. Seven wars started. The United States government collapsed. Fifty million lost their jobs. There was a pandemic and violence in the street......37 million died. So yeah, I think it succeeded pretty well.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:58 PM
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6. Or, in alternative universe #2 there was no bailout and the economy
Edited on Sat Sep-05-09 09:25 PM by leveymg
didn't totally collapse because the federal government instead handed everyone a check for $67,000, which will be the cost to each and every one of us of bailing-out AIG, Goldman, Citi, Wells Fargo, etc, etc. Those institutions were nationalized, mortage foreclosures were halted, and a single-payer health system was passed in early Spring. The directors of 27 of the largest hedge funds and global banks who precipitated the crisis are awaiting trial. George W. Bush and Richard Cheney have been indicted and are being held without bail in Alexandria, VA.

That injection of personal income, and a massive federal jobs, education and green investments program led to a lasting rebound in middle-class incomes. The only violence was a significant uptick in suicides among Right-wing talk radio commentators. So, no, I don't think bailing out Wall Street was worth it.
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:03 PM
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7. I'd like to be in that one! Tickets???? n/t
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:25 PM
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9. What a load
I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. lol.

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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:36 PM
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14. Well, I remember "loads" of DUers talking the U.S. as a smoking hole in the
ground about this time. Last Fall it was "we'll be losing a million jobs a month forever!!!11". The Banks are collapsing!!!!11. We're all gonna die!!!!111 Well, so far it hasn't happened. Was the solution chosen the best solution? No. Did it avert complete disaster? Probably. These type threads suck because nobody knows what woulda, shoulda, coulda happened. Waste of time. IMO.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:39 PM
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17. Wall Street bullying and fear-mongering tactics
Edited on Sat Sep-05-09 09:41 PM by rollingrock
it works well on our spineless leaders in Washington.
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:45 PM
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21. No these were DUers. Right here on the ol' DU. Archives will show the picture. n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:45 PM
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2. Allowed the federal gov't to go further into the hole,
and the big global banks to continue collecting interest on the Debt.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:45 PM
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3. Of course, it helped the richest and most privileged Americans.
Bush would be proud.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:46 PM
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4. I understand that Bush started this bullshit. But hasn't Obama continued it?
Can we be mad at the Obama administration?
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:54 PM
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5. You can feel as you wish....it's a free country. But not in the alternate universe
that had no bailout!!!!!!!
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western mass Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:12 PM
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8. Only if you believe the people who benefited
Sure, wall street bankers and their ideologically aligned economists say the handouts did a lot of good!

By the way, these are the same people who caused the crash in the first place, and also didn't have a clue it was coming. The idea that these people have any credibility is laughable.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:37 PM
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15. +1
How in the world did the bailouts do us any good when no one even knows what happened to the money? According to the head of the oversight panel, Elizabeth Warren?

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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:28 PM
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10. Well it apparently helped some and some of the banks have already
paid us back with a small profit.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:31 PM
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11. It briefly postponed our drowning.
Take a deep breath before the next big wave crashes in.
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:39 PM
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18. OHHHHH NOESS!!!!!111 Head fer tha hills!!!! n/t
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 10:52 PM
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23. The two Circuit City stores in our town are empty...
... and we're already fully saturated with Dollar Stores and the like. What next? There's lot's of empty retail space, big boxes and small.

I'm thinking about opening a chain of "indoor camping" places. Two bucks a night, or fifty bucks a month for a spot on the floor, kids stay free! Bring your own sleeping bag, and please keep the bathrooms clean.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:32 PM
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12. I have heard eonomisst on Bloomberg Business, CRose
C-Span explain that it is working. Yes, Bush started with
money to Banks. Obama Team put in more money tostabalize the
Financial System. Economists say the Financial System is
stabalized and some of the money is being paid back.

Part 2 of the stimulus: Money was sent to states. Because
there were states in such crisis they were firing or laying
off Teachers, Firefighters and Policemen. Here in Columbus
the Mayor had already announced the Police Class in Training
would not be hired. The GOP has a talking point to damage
the Administration. The stimulus did not work. We need to
get the message that Stimulus is working. Also there Infrastructure
projects. More Money goes out and there is still more.

V-President Biden gave a speech this week explaining how
the stimulus is working. His remarks were discussed briefly
for one news cycle. The GOP is not going to let Obama get
credit for anything if they can stop him. This message
needs more than one news cycle.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:33 PM
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13. We cannot really know. The Federal Reserve is resisting efforts to find out who got the money.
The money was handed out, but we do not know the assets that these banks pledged as collateral in order to receive the loan money.

The Federal Reserve has resisted any efforts to find out what the collateral these banks provided. It could easily be that many of these banks pledged no collateral whatsoever. We just do not know.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:38 PM
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16. More money for wealthy profiteers.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:40 PM
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19. there was no "bailout" there was a daylight robbery
and all it did was to make matters worse in the long run, for most of us.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:40 PM
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20. made the filthy rich even nastier.
that's about it.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:48 PM
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22. it delayed the inevitable for a while longer.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 05:23 PM
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24. Given unemployment is leveling off and the market is recovering
Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 05:24 PM by mzmolly
I'd say so. The auto industry and the housing market have also responded to intervention.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 05:25 PM
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25. First off, the Bailouts and the Stimulus are not the same thing
As for the bailouts, you can see their success in the fact that we still have a currency.
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