US population is roughly 300 million (MM)

43 MM people on Medicare

53 MM people on Medicaid/Schip

10 MM people on Healthcare through Military (Tricare)
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106 MM people ON A GOVERNMENT (single-payer) PLAN ---- over 1/3 (36-37% of the US!)

Now let's continue to add:

27 MM people (9%) purchase their own insurance directly - they can't be too happy with those hefty premiums they're paying, right?

46 MM people (16%) are uninsured
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179 MM people (60%) are either A) covered by the government already, have NO insurance,
or buy their own policies for themselves (VERY EXPENSIVE)

That means that:

ONLY 120 MM people (40% of the US population) is covered by their employer. And that's only true as long as the person has a JOB!
Lose your job, and you're outta luck (and outta insurance!). Employer paid healthcare makes it VERY DIFFICULT (if not impossible) for an employer to be competitive with other nations who DO offer single-payer/nationalized healthcare to its citizens.

In conclusion, what are we fighting about here? Only 40% of the population gets employer paid healthcare! The rest of US either are already on single-payer, have none, or pay our VERY EXPENSIVE 'own way'. Our 'Employers' are in deep trouble, so there is no guarantee that that 40% will still have a JOB (or their healthcare tomorrow).

Sources for statistics:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_medical_uninsured_people_are_in_US

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_receive_medicare_and_medicaid

and thinking that the wrong wing media must be shut down or made to report honestly.

and they support single payer too.

We are being hijacked by about 10% of the country who are convincing another 20% that their very lives are in danger from the socialists who have petrified another 20% who just don't like the turmoil -

and that's why we're arguing.

That's true about abortion, guns, environment, everything.

We get yanked around by these bullshitting minorities, because there's no one to stand up and lay it all out in the open for everyone to see and hear all at the same time.

It's HURTING people.

Two people called me Friday crying and near despair over this crap about President Obama's speech to the school kids.

This bullshit is hurting people and it's purveyors act like they are giving the country somekind of great blessing.

Fuck 'em! I think I might just hate them.

being included in that 40% who are covered by their employer!

I quickly tried to google up how many persons (or a percentage of the US) that are union members, covered by their employer/union. I didn't find an answer, but if anyone else knows/can find it, it would be good to add to the facts here.

I've been trying to come up with a concise set of numbers to prove the obvious. Single payer is the only alternative.

Time to spread the word. :headbang:

Harping on single payer only contributes to the hysteria at this point.

desirable, even if it isn't as inclusive right away as we'd like. Get the percentage under govt. plans above 50%, and we'll have momentum on our side.

But a mandate without a public option is deadly (and probably unconstitutional?) If they manage to mess things up that badly, we'll have massive civil disobedience.

This connotes clear facts and insurance voids, great way to get change across. A major problem is various media outlets twist information to suite their own agendas. I think if Democrats focused on evident facts as this it could sell Single Payer as an alternative quite well.

I wish we had truth in broadcasting and true investigative reporting rather than the talking heads of media today. Fortunately we have Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow to name two that I think are excellent. Information like you listed needs to get out in front of the citizens. I'm amazed at some people collecting Medicare that don't think it's a government plan. Crazy...

We truly are being hijacked by the few.

Problem is, a single-payer system makes far too much sense. If the MSM were to discuss it and inform the public from an unbiased point of view, a vast majority would be behind it. But, of course, the medias corporate masters would have none of that...too much $$$ at stake. Instaed what we get is a lot of attention payed to the teabag nit-wits who believe anything their authoritarian masters (i.e. BecKKK, Insannity and the pedophiliac junkie) tell them to think.

I'm convinced that the solution to this is to make the pulic optionn a buy-in program to Medicare. The revenues generated could be used to make it solvent and, due to the much lower cost, would end up drawing nearly everyone who currently has no coverage or private insuance ultimately resulting in Medicare for all. :)

ok--you (general public/republicans) don't want government involved in health care? fine. then we're ending medicare, we're putting a stop to medicaid/schip, and we're no longer offering tricare through the military--since you all seem to think it's so terrible. from now on, *everyone* can go and get their own healthcare/insurance. end of story.


think that'd work on these dimshits?

Don't give the ins. cos. any "ideas"

:spank:

most popular wet dreams

i'm just wondering how all these other anti-gov./gov. health care recipients would feel. i think they certainly deserve the scare.

The insured have no motivation to improve the lot of the uninsured, even if it won't cost them anything.

Holy crikey!!! :wow:

9% of Americans pay for their own health insurance policies

40% of INSURED Americans have their healthcare paid for by their EMPLOYER

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We "don't" 'all pay for it', right now......and we're still getting "squeezed by the nuts" (forgive my language)....but it's the TRUTH!


edit to add a 'd' at "squeezeD" by the nuts"

They don't know that. The bottom line is that medicare and medicaid recipients are, in the main, not motivated to support reform. Those with private insurance who are healthy (as are most people) think they are fine.