Van Jones speaks Truth to Power. Rec this thread if you support Van Jones.

This is a man who found himself squarely in Glen Beck's hateful sights, was made the victim of a vicious smear and attack campaign. All because he committed the heinous crime of being a black man who refused to shy away from the truth. He said publicly the things that many of us say in private, or in the relative anonymity of internet message boards. He was committed to helping the people. And for this, the racist hatemonger Beck made him his Public Enemy Number One. Why, the man was a commie black activist, and the right-wing sycophants simply could not tolerate someone so dangerous advising the president on green energy and creating jobs.

We Want Real Answers About 9/11

On August 31, 2004, Zogby International, the official North American political polling agency for Reuters, released a poll that found nearly half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of those in New York state believe US leaders had foreknowledge of impending 9/11 attacks and "consciously failed" to act. Of the New York City residents, 66% called for a new probe of unanswered questions by Congress or the New York Attorney General.

In connection with this news, we have assembled 100 notable Americans and 40 family members of those who died to sign this 9/11 Statement, which calls for immediate public attention to unanswered questions that suggest that people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war.

We want truthful answers to questions such as:

1. Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?

2. Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not activated during the attack?

3. Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned about his safety or that of the schoolchildren?

4. Why hasn't a single person been fired, penalized, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witnessed that day?

5. Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of dollars of traceable gains?

6. Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Ashcroft and granted by a Bush-appointed judge?

7. How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40 minutes without being detected by the FAA's radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US military?

8. How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as well as to visit houses, restaurants, and flight schools they were known to frequent?

9. What happened to the over 20 documented warnings given our government by 14 foreign intelligence agencies or heads of state?

10. Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, considered the ringleader of the hijackers?

11. Why did the 911 Commission fail to address most of the questions posed by the families of the victims, in addition to almost all of the questions posed here?

12. Why was Philip Zelikow chosen to be the Executive Director of the ostensibly independent 911 Commission although he had co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice?

Those who are demanding deeper inquiry now number in the hundreds of thousands, including a former member of the first Bush administration, a retired Air Force colonel, a European parliamentarian, families of the victims, highly respected authors, investigative journalists, peace and justice leaders, former Pentagon staff, and the National Green Party.

As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:

1. An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer

2. Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.

3. Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.

4. The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.

Given the importance of the coming election, we feel it is imperative that these questions be addressed publicly, honestly, and rigorously so that Americans may exercise their democratic rights with full awareness.

In closing, we pray and hope for the strength to approach this subject with wisdom and compassion so that we may heal from the wounds inflicted on that terrible day.

Signed,

Especially when it involves the deadliest attack on American soil in our nation's history.

And I still fail to see how this affects Van Jones' ability to advise the president on green jobs.

No mainstream media outlet is publishing the petition.

OpEd news is the only hit on a Google News search.

:banghead:

...perhaps as a pretext for war"

:crazy:

a pretext appeared.

Imagine that.

in "Rebuilding America's Defenses" Cheney, and other Bush cabinet officials signed a document expressing the need for just such an event to get their war on! Quite a coincidence, huh. :think:

I WILL NEVER BELIEVE THE COMMISSION CONCLUSIONS

I've had this same bookmark since 2002 and it's all still there.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Have a look. :)

*Edited to add that DUer Stephanie created the ultimate PNAC links archive some years ago (thanks Stephanie!) - here's the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=110&topic_id=80&mesg_id=80&page=

www.newamericancentury.org
read "Rebuilding America's Defenses". :hi:

archive.org, or google's "wayback machine."
Once something is on the Internet, it's NOT gone, just a little harder to find.

They wanted a "new Pearl Harbor," to take the oil resources of the Middle East.
This increases the believability of my point that 9/11 was an inside job.

PDB, dated 8/6/2001: "Bin Laden determined to strike U.S." Dubya dismissed it: OK, you've covered your ass, he said to the aide. You can leave now.
John O'Neill and Richard Clarke, counterterrorism experts, walking around that summer "with their hair on fire."
NBC "Today" coverage on 9/11 included a report from David Gregory — who was with The Decider that day in Florida — who said Bush and his advisers knew about the (first) hit @WTC before they reached the school. The president could have scrambled jet fighters then. He didn't.
More documented evidence is available at http://www.historycommons.org/index.jsp. It's a great Web site that covers lots of topics. You could spend hours there.

Bushco knew. Period.

Van Jones called Republicans what most of the people who voted for Obama call them. Republicans since the election have been calling Obama and Democrats much worse. But he also signed a peitition calling for further inquiry and explanation of 9/11.

So why is he really being forced out?

As soon as I got the first email from Color of Change I said well this can't be good for Van Jones. And I didn't even know about this 911 petition.

Don't get me wrong. I support what Color of Change is doing to get Beck off the air and I signed their petition. But I secretly hoped the wingnut Beckbots wouldn't make the connection to Van Jones.

very same questions a year ago and my post was banished to Lounge City by the mods and I was ridiculed for days. For that reason, I quit coming to DU for at least three months.

At least it wasn't completely memory-holed, which has happened (on other topics) in many cases I was here to witness.
http://tinyurl.com/possibly-of-interest

Nor mention as a tinyurl in one's sig line. One of those movies has a name that begins with "Z"

And there is never an explanation as to why this is so. It is their policy and one must accept it or leave.

they chase off enough people, there won't be anything but a ghost town here. Or a loony bin. I'm quite surprised *these* posts are still here - must be the holiday weekend. Actually, I'm surprised, though happy, that the OP is still here.

I didn't know about the movies - thanks for the info.

That one can be tombstoned for simply complaining about Admin policies. So pls forget that I complained!

(Anyway I was not complaining, I was whining, and there is a difference.)

the Bush Administration had something to hide. Those calling for Van Jones resignation are siding with the real terrorists, and are likely the ones who hate a real democracy.

I'd sign it.

Or something like it

Has my undying loyalty.

There is no way that two skyscrapers can fall at free fall speeds into their own footprints!

No thinking person COULD NOT sign this petition!

This is an opportunity - we should address it as such. This is an opportunity for Democrats in Congress to say "I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO KNOW THE ANSWERS TO ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS. I'd like to hear the answers to some of those questions myself."

The Repukes want to bring up 9/11 ? Great let's go there by all means. We have subpoena power now, fuckos!

Meanwhile Obama can nominate Van Jones to head the FCC. That should keep Herr Beck in a state of sleepless sweaty terror for at least 4 years.

:patriot:

:hi:

This study demonstrated that under existing ballot counting standards, Al Gore should have been declared the winner of the 2000 election. The 9/11/01 attacks cast a big shadow over this re-evaluation and recounting of ballots. How convenient that through the ineptness of the Bush administration, evidence that BUSH DID NOT WIN was buried by the news of 9/11/01.

http://www.norc.org/projects/bydivision/statistics+and+methodology/florida+ballots+project.htm?wbcmode=presentationunpublished

In a June 23 editorial, The Wall Street Journal erroneously stated, "or the record, Mr. Bush won the last election under every single vote recount, including those painstakingly run by the media." The false claim came in response to comments by federal judge Guido Calabresi that "illegitimate acts" by the Supreme Court put George W. Bush into power.

However, Bush did not win "every single vote recount," according to a study conducted by the University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center (NORC), as The Washington Post reported on November 12, 2001. The NORC study was organized by a consortium of news organizations that included both the Post and The Wall Street Journal. The researchers "examined all ballots that were initially rejected by voting machines" and then applied "different standards for determining voter intent and tallied results based on several scenarios that sought to approximate conditions on the ground in Florida."

The results: former Vice President Al Gore, not George W. Bush, emerged the winner under four scenarios.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200406230010



In late 2000, a consortium of the largest news organizations in the United States selected NORC to provide the definitive picture of the Florida vote count in the disputed presidential election of November 2000. The consortium chose NORC for this work because of its long-standing reputation for nonpartisan, objective, and analytically rigorous data collection and analysis. Kirk Wolter, NORC Senior Fellow and Director of its Center for Excellence in Survey Research, directed NORC's effort on the project.

General Project Information

Approximately 180,000 ballots in Florida’s 67 counties were uncertified because they failed to register a “valid” vote for President. These ballots included those in which no vote was recorded (undervotes) and those in which people voted for more than one candidate (overvotes). NORC examined the undervotes and overvotes.

The goal of the project was not to declare a “winner,” but rather to carefully examine the ballots to assess the relative reliability of the three major types of ballot systems used in Florida. The results of this assessment helped state legislatures, other decision-makers, and developers of ballot systems to work toward more reliable ballot systems. The data archive containing the results of NORC’s work is available on this site for use by news organizations, and by the public.



Project Sponsors

The consortium of news organizations that sponsored the NORC Florida ballot project is made up of:

* The New York Times,
* The Wall Street Journal,
* Washington Post Co.,
* Tribune Publishing,
* CNN,
* Associated Press,
* St. Petersburg Times and The Palm Beach Post.



The New York Times owns The Boston Globe, the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, and the Lakeland Ledger among others. Washington Post Co. owns The Washington Post and Newsweek. Tribune, based in Chicago, owns the Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune, the Orlando Sentinel, and the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, among others.

The consortium joined together to retain NORC, because they wanted a comprehensive in-depth inventory of all uncounted votes in Florida’s November 2000 Presidential race that would be immune from charges of political bias or methodological weakness. Consortium members had access to the raw data for a brief period before public release of the database, from which they developed their own analyses and stories about what the uncounted ballots reveal.

n/t

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

the planning and execution of the 9/11 false flag mission.

for Israel to stage a false flag on itself before 10/13 to blame Iran & justify bombing Iran.

Watch Wednesday, September 9. And stay away from Temple Mount.

If you do know something I hope you are doing more than just posting cryptic messages on the internet.

I wanted clarification if you were calling him a commie. You didnt answer. You said you didnt have to. I still am asking if you are calling him a commie. I apparently didnt ask directly enough. Do you feel he is a commie?

"Commie is still a deal breaker in DC, and will remain so." is a complete sentence.

I wanted clarification if you were calling him a commie. You didnt answer. You said you didnt have to. I still am asking if you are calling him a commie. I apparently didnt ask directly enough. Do you feel he is a commie?

Jones is apparently on record identifying himself as a communist, amongst other things which would be political liabilities. It doesn't matter when he did it, or if he "took it back" or "wasn't serious" or made an act of contrition, some things are deal killers.

But he isnt a commie is he? What's YOUR opinion.

communist.

Lets not lower ourselves to Republican standards in the name-calling game.

That's a serious accusation, and as much as I have issues with Beck, lets not paint him with false slander of the lowest order.

This attack on irresponsible media has been quite extraordinary. If you haven't heard, according to "certain sources" and "some people," Glenn Beck might have raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. He didn't, but it is certainly true that he might have, and that is the basis of a satirical online campaign which aims to demonstrate how dangerous the faux-journalism, circular logic, and vague accusations of Beck and other pundits are. So what should we make of this coercion of his irresponsible techniques? Is it deserved?

"What I feel like saying is... Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies. And I know you're not, I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way." - Glenn Beck, to Muslim congressman Keith Ellison.

So what? He said he wasn't making an accusation, right? Likewise, the perpetrators of this backlash campaign are not necessarily accusing Beck of raping and murdering a young girl in 1990 - they're just saying that it might have happened, and that it would be reassuring to have proof that it didn't. Clearly the rumor exists, right?
http://tjwilde.com/2009/09/02/did-glenn-beck-rape-and-murder-a-young-girl-in-1990/


Sounds like someone is giving him a taste of his own medicine.

at one of Becks astroturf Tea parties. Paraphrasing and embelishing from a very funny site.

n by question. That's a Faux tactic.

Complete Bush Appointee Resignation Scorecard

February 11th, 2009 · 10 Comments

Forty-two Bush Administration appointees resigned under a cloud of controversy over the past eight years. Only now could a final tally be calculated. So many had resigned that it actually has become difficult to remember every one of them. Some were well illuminated by the mainstream media while others were just a passing blip on the political radar. I had originally compiled this list back in October 2007 and at that time, the list held 21 names. Further research uncovered the names of some that I’d missed in the original post and time since then has revealed the rest. The original 21 names are listed first with the new shameful additions added on.

In order to refresh my memory and yours and keep their names and misdeeds well illuminated, I’ve compiled the a final list of Bush administration officials who resigned under at least questionable if not dishonorable conditions. Most commonly the resignations are ethically based, sometimes criminally based, while others are just a matter of sheer ineptitude.

Not all resignations are a result of impropriety and not all resignations of controversial appointees are a result of the controversy. For example, Karl Rove has number of controversies surrounding his tenure at the White House but his resignation does not appear to be related to any them. Not everyone who has resigned will be found below. I also did not list those who did resign under controversy but who were later found to have done nothing wrong. Only the resignations that were nothing but cover for being fired or attempting to escape a controversy or indictment are listed below.

The descriptions below are mostly, but not entirely, quoted or paraphrased from the referenced source reporting. This list also does not address resignations that fall outside of the scope of the Bush administration, such as those in Congress or elsewhere.

Of the 42 resignations, there have been nine criminal convictions thus far.

In no particular order, here is the rogue’s gallery.

More:
http://thedcshuffle.com/2009/02/11/complete-bush-appointee-resignation-scorecard/


Hat-tip to: http://twitter.com/charyl/statuses/3798386291

Does this mean Obama doesn't want to find out what happened on that day that bush got his trifecta? Or is that making a conclusion where there should not be one?

Obama should not have accepted the resignation, and he should have used this opportunity to actually ask the questions that we have waited nearly ten years to hear.

So now I have to ask a racist question. But it's unfair to judge by the color of one's skin, so I feel guilty about even thinking it. But is Obama just another corporate tool? Come on, tell us what is going on behind the scenes! I'm tired of being told something is off the table, and not knowing why.

the the reality is that the repugnant party is almost entirely made up of assholes any more.

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Rally a call for Sen. Inhofe's resignation for recent comments he made about President Obama's intent on unleasing terror1st on American soil....

and just play it every time any republican or one of their MSM tools ( not to mention Faux etc) demands it no matter what the alleged offense is. We need a whole party leadership of people like Van Jones who ask tough, unpleasant and unpopular questions, and who tell the truth about the republican party in blunt honest language. I don't expect to EVER see that though. Every time I think our party can't possibly become more gutless, I get proven wrong. It literally is making me sick.

Heck, I probably *did*.

The way the world is supposed to work.

That's how we learn the truth, which is needed so democracy can work.

I'm with Vann. He doesn't trust a turd who could come up with:

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forums/wells-hall-off-topic-board/398016-van-jones-great-american.html

K & R

He'd make a great South American...right around the Caracas area. We don't need a self-proclaimed communist in either party let alone within earshot of the president. I'm worried that more of this will surface and weaken his leadership. There are some cracks forming and the repubs are starting to get some wedges in them.

:silly:

:P

Just wondering...

It used to be a popular bumpersticker, now it would probably get your car keyed.
Moron-Americans everywhere these days.

worn by librarians. I think *they* can still get away with it!

I'm still feeling my way around, but you seem like a nice bunch of folks!

& just to be clear, I'm not a librarian myself, but I am an indexer -- I guess that makes me a question authority running in the background...B-)

He should not let this incident keep him from continuing his work. He has a lot of commitment to work for social justice and continuing that in the urban areas is his true calling. You can do this without an official government title.

Keep the faith Van!

:applause:


Sonia

We may never be allowed to speak the truth again in this nation. Not without some repercussions.

Now we have this orchestrated "democracy" which is really a "Democrazy" with the RW trolls at the Town Hall meetings and Obama all acquiescing to them.

And the One Big Party that Rules us all is successful in the way it orchestrates. We cannot get to the truth because we have to stave off the Right Wing Nazi wing nuts.

Money controls everything, and the One Party Money Party provides us with interesting spectacles, but none of those resemble anything close to Truth.

:patriot:

Shame... shame.. how dare anyone bring up facts about 911. Everyone knows..black is really white.. white is gray.. up is down.. and the firemen were wrong.. they did not hear any explosions.

Jones exercised his rights as a citizen, now he's fired.

not just for the OP, but also for all the valuable links provided by other posters. I LOVE my DU community!

pnorman

Yep, just like fucking highschool.

What's it really going to matter when Van has already gone belly up and surrendered?

I'm really getting tired of this administration trying to be "liked" instead of kicking these thugs in the balls, and HARD.

RAW

So why does one comment about Republicans get someone fired?

If you do, common sense might surface with the truth.

around here.

So they ridicule and send you to the DUngeon.

They can believe that he started a war for profit that's killed over 100,000 people, but just can't wrap their widdle bwains around the possibility that he just might have something to do with another measly 3,000.

He was maligned and driven out of town for quoting someone, and there was nothing wrong with his statement.

We haven't learned the lesson, have we?

It is not a crime in this country to be a member of the Communist Party.
Not. A. Crime.

NOBODY has to kowtow to ... of all "people" (and I use the term loosely) Glen Beck (ick have to wash my hands).
He's an idiot. With NO following (not in % of viewers).

Why, oh why, isn't a Constitutional law professor and lawyer, like Obama on the CORRECT side of this non-issue?

This, above almost every other stupid move of this administration, has made me very very sad.

could not agree with you more.

"conspiracy THEORY" meme. Of course, now that Jones "acknowledges" that he didn't know what he was signing (which I don't believe for one second)the door is still open for skepticism.

but why did the obama admin cave in on the fringe/lunatic/right wing/smearmongers?
i dont understand i thought we won the election? i voted for change not for an admin that
cant handle the heat of having a true progressive in their fold...

Serious public officials in this country don't subscribe to fringe conspiracy crap like the truthers or the birthers.

The Obama Administration and the Democratic Congressional Leadership certainly doesn't give the time of day to the ridiculous ramblings of the truthers.

I don't believe this Van Jones was fit for office, and I'm glad that he has now resigned and will no longer be a drag on the administration.

911 is still much of a mystery...not one shred of mystery around President Obama's birth records.

Knowledgeable people aren't buying their BS anymore.

At some point Obama will have to swing back.

did not used to be ridiculous

:kick: If he were white and opposed Obama in a crude manner, he'd have his own show on Faux News.

that petition is the heart of what i demand from my gov't. totally side with jones. obviously people with legitimate questions can't work for obama, no matter how qualified. it's kinda like "democrats are assholes, too". oops, now i'll be banned from du.

I don't think Van Jones would resign on his own.. I think Obama's had him resign.

I hard Van Jones speak last year and he was incredible. Very forward thinking and had great ideas.

Our government will suffer from losing him.

These are appropriate questions for the group there, where I'm sure they will be torn apart by the OCTers, like dogs around fresh meat.

DUers, if you know any dirt about Glen Beck or anything else at 19th Century Fox, got to Daily Kos and click on Keith's diary!

It is sickening that the RW nitwits can still hold sway over these matters.

When shit-for-brains was president, it did not matter how horrifying or ignorant administration
people behaved/spoke...nothing was ever done.

And got away with it. Van Jones states something far less agregious about a party in general and gets ostracized.

Hell yes, he gets my support.

and should have been investigated better.

Off to the DUngeon with him!!

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Don't know if that was a coincidence or what -- but I did watch it.

Nice job by Van Jones.


As a former native of NYC, I applaud them all !!

1. Why?

2. Evidently Pentagon had no defense -- and one camera!

3. It's obvious that they knew what had gone down -- no surprise.

4. NORAD's explanations are garbage -- and Tenet was awarded a Freedom Medal!!

5. Follow the money --

6. We need to hear as much as we can from Sibel Edmonds on this

7. First, American Airlines has now said that both Flight #77 and Flight #11 were NOT
schedule for that day. Plus, we do have systems for taking control of any hijacked plane.

8. Same way they released Oswald info immediately -- patsies!

9. Also UNTIED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL visited White House and our Intelligence agencies
to warn them in AUGUST just before the attacks! They did this because Russia was so
concerned about White House "Operation Ignore" re all of the warnings, including Russia's.

10. Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, considered the ringleader of the hijackers?

Re 10 . . . US/CIA had created the Taliban/Al Qaeda thru ISI-Pakistan, funneling money to them.
We had just in the year prior to 9/11 given the Taliban/Al Qaeda $124 million! . . .
and tens of millions just the month before 9/11!!

11. I'd also add that NIST is a private corporation which was under contract . . . not a good
way expose information which may be harmful to those who hired them!

12. Philip Zelikow -- couldn't be more obvious that he was key to the cover up.

And, of course, it is now FORMER NY AG Eliot Spitzer!

If anyone should be forced out it's that complete psychopath Beck.
What he has said about Obama far eclipses what Jones is accused of thinking.

getting Glen Beck's advertisers to cancel. That's why the shit storm got started