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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 07:56 AM
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As Joe Kennedy considers run, Chávez ties loom
As Joseph P. Kennedy II contemplates a race to reclaim the Senate seat held by his family for nearly half a century, his most formidable obstacle may not be a Massachusetts politician but a political leader some 2,000 miles away: President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela.

Over the past four years, Citizens Energy Corp., the signature nonprofit founded by Kennedy in 1979 as a political launching pad, has grown from a local charity serving 10,000 Massachusetts homes a year into a national effort delivering free fuel to 200,000 households in 23 states.

And Kennedy, a former US representative, has relied almost exclusively on Chávez, a vociferous critic of the US government, for that growth.

Since 2005, Citizens’ 877-JOE-4-OIL campaign has been sustained by the oil fields of Venezuela. Chávez, who controls the industry there, has delivered crude oil at no charge to a Citizens affiliate, which has resold it and used the money to pay for oil deliveries to America’s poor. In the past two years, Citizens has been given 83 million gallons of crude by Chávez and sold it for $164 million - money used to fund almost its entire philanthropic mission.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/09/06/as_joe_kennedy_considers_run_chvez_ties_loom/
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 08:01 AM
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1. If Joe Kennedy were profiting from any kind of energy contract with
Chavez for the express purpose of profiting this would be problematic, but the arrangement's pure purpose is to get affordable heat to people who have none or can scarcely afford what they need to live.

There's something in the Bible about clothing the naked and feeding the hungry, etc. I think Kennedy stands on well-established impulse in directing warmth to the needy against winter cold.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 08:20 AM
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2. A duplicate was started one minute later. nt
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 08:48 AM
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4. Yes. How odd. Inbetween the two twin posts, I haven't seen any
good reason to reject Joe Kennedy if he turns out to the nominee.

I'm waiting to see what happens in Massachusetts.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 09:01 AM
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5. There is no good reason. It's the family's seat - the name you know. nt
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 09:05 AM
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7. I note the source of the coverage... and recall that that same source has
not always been wildly enthusiastic over Kennedy Democrats.

But it does seem to be Massachusetts. I don't think it's unreasonable for us to think that a Democrat, whether a Kennedy or not, has a really good shot at retaining that seat, and that Joe Kennedy meets all Constitutional criteria.

His last name is a plus and the soul fight for heating oil is consistent with the Kennedy clan's tradition of public service.


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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 09:21 AM
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8. If he runs, I'll vote for him without hesitation
Because, yeah...his only mission with Chavez has been to bring oil to Massachusetts families who can't afford it.

I know that lots of people in different states badmouth him for his ties, through oil, to Hugo Chavez...but these people seem to be the ones who either don't have to deal with long, cold winters, or don't have problems heating their homes. Easy for them to be contemptuous if they don't have to suffer and they don't have to accept charity.

In any case, I've never heard a bad thing spoken about Joe Kennedy in Mass. and I do think he would be a big favorite. :)

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 09:24 AM
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9. I agree -- Joe is likely to be a considerable favorite, and I love your point
on the people who are doing all the bitching here never having to face ongoing days and weeks of bitter cold.

And that were they to have to face winter like that they might temper their criticism of Joe Kennedy's organization.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 08:22 AM
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3. Kick.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 09:04 AM
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6. but Bush can makeout with Bin Ladens....even on the morning of 9/11
like said, the Democrats are acting like beaten dogs.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 09:28 AM
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10. The media suggestion of JK's ties with Chavez hinge on the public's
reaction to Chavez as if that were the imperative and not JK's organization's mission of providing affordable heat to people facing the severity of winter.

The public may also shape the media. Corporatons control media; but the public consumes it, much in the same way they consume food. One may choose the Twinkie and a can of Coca-Cola or one may opt for the sprouts and green tea.

I think the key to this story on JK is some gamble Boston.com wishes to make that the Democratic voter in Massachusetts thinks that an arrangement with Chavez is more unsettling to American ideals than affordable heating oil is to people who are cold.

And in that gamble, I think they'll lose.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 09:42 AM
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11. Also I'm not seeing how U.S. ties to the Saudi Royal Family are any
more palatable than Citizens Energy's are to Chavez, so long as we're making wild-ass associations.


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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:31 AM
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23. Bush family-personal profit-exploitative oil govts= OK
Kennedy family-no personal profit-oil companies and govts whose purpose is to help poor = hypocrisy so laughable if not for implications on people whose lives are affected by policies of perpetrators of this sort of hypocrisy.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:40 AM
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24. In the scenario of Joe Kennedy's deciding to run in the primary for that
seat, I think he could clearly, compassionately, and convincingly make the case you just made, in suggesting that human beings should be possessed of the dignity and nobility sufficient to address the needs of someone who is cold in harsh climates during winter months.

That just seems to me to be an elemental decency. For the Boston.com editor to run "coverage" to the spirit of the contrary, I hope he, she, or they face such a winter climate some day without the ability to afford heat.

And THEN let's hear them caterwaul about Chavez.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:03 AM
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12. As Joe Kennedy considers run, Chávez ties loom
As Joseph P. Kennedy II contemplates a race to reclaim the Senate seat held by his family for nearly half a century, his most formidable obstacle may not be a Massachusetts politician but a political leader some 2,000 miles away: President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela.

Over the past four years, Citizens Energy Corp., the signature nonprofit founded by Kennedy in 1979 as a political launching pad, has grown from a local charity serving 10,000 Massachusetts homes a year into a national effort delivering free fuel to 200,000 households in 23 states.

And Kennedy, a former US representative, has relied almost exclusively on Chávez, a vociferous critic of the US government, for that growth.

Since 2005, Citizens’ 877-JOE-4-OIL campaign has been sustained by the oil fields of Venezuela. Chávez, who controls the industry there, has delivered crude oil at no charge to a Citizens affiliate, which has resold it and used the money to pay for oil deliveries to America’s poor. In the past two years, Citizens has been given 83 million gallons of crude by Chávez and sold it for $164 million - money used to fund almost its entire philanthropic mission.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/09/06/as_joe_kennedy_considers_run_chvez_ties_loom/
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:03 AM
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13. What's wrong with helping Chavez sell his product for an under-market price? nt
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:03 AM
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18. Gave the oil
The article said the oil was "given" by Chavez, not sold.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:56 PM
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28. Better still. Eleanor rocks, by the way. nt
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:03 AM
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14. I dunno, Bush's ties to the Bin Laden family and Saudi royals didn't seem to hurt him much.
Oh but I forgot... Bush is Republican, so it's OK!


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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:03 AM
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15. And the fact that the mainstream media didn't report on that...
We had to hear it from Michael Moore. You sure wouldn't hear about the Bush-Bin Laden connection if you turned on your tv. But you can be sure that the media will be all over Joe Kennedy's association with Chavez.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:03 AM
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16. But like the article said, it may not matter here in "liberal" MA.
The republicans will use it but it fill probably hit them in the face.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:14 AM
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22. I'm hoping for the same, graywarrior.
The "coverage" of the Chavez angle has a subterfuge component, IMO, and it smells a good deal like character smearing.


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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 11:24 AM
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26. I think it'll backfire.
Too many MA residents benefited from Joe's help.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 11:25 AM
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27. There it is. You've boiled it down to its basic truth.
Why those silly editors over at Boston.com didn't think of that is anyone's guess!
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:03 AM
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17. There can be no news bad enough to cause the voters to give
Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 08:19 AM by Obamanaut
that Senate seat to someone outside the family. Vote for the name you know.

BTW. This is a dupe of the thread started about a minute earlier. (edited to add)
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:03 AM
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19. Keeping poor people from freezing to death?
What's next from these radical left wingers? Feeding the hungry? These communists must be rooted out before they can help anyone else.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:03 AM
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20. People before politics...
Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 09:44 AM by WePurrsevere
I rather like that about Joe Kennedy II and if I lived in MA I'd gladly vote for him. B-)

When you: live in the north country, you heat with oil, are low income and it's the middle of Winter that oil from Citizen's Energy is a very real blessing. No one has to sign in blood or agree with Chavez on everything to accept the oil he sends up our way. Personally I pray like heck that he continues to do so... it's helped us immensely the for the last two years and it's darn bit better then the option of freezing up here in January/February.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:03 AM
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21. fight the propaganda.... make your stand!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 11:23 AM
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25. Interesting that this one is unrec'd and the dupe thread has recommends
This place is so fucking weird.
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