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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 11:32 AM
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Howard Dean: Van Jones' Resignation a 'Loss for the Country'
Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 11:37 AM by madfloridian
I am recording Fox News Sunday at 2:00 today, but I was really glad to see this summation of what Dean said about Van Jones. Good for him.

Dean: Jones' Resignation a 'Loss for the Country'

Former Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean said Sunday that the resignation of White House green jobs adviser Van Jones is a "loss for the country."

The outspoken Democrat and former presidential candidate vigorously defended Jones, who resigned in the wake of criticism over his past statements and associations -- including his past support for a group that believes the Bush administration may have been involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.

"I think he was brought down," Dean told "FOX News Sunday," saying he just spoke to Jones. "I think it's a loss for the country."

Dean pointed to Jones' credentials as a Yale Law School graduate and best-selling author. Though Jones signed a 2004 statement calling for an investigation into possible Bush administration involvement in the Sept. 11 attacks, Dean said Jones didn't realize what he was signing at the time.

"I don't think he really thinks the government had anything to do with causing 9/11," he said.


Anyone who speaks out is effectively brought down now, and the ones left are the ones who say little or say nothing controversial.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 11:35 AM
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1. In 2004,
the NIST report had not been finalized. Any call for "investigation" was not conspiratorial. It was just, INVESTIGATE the bugger. Remember, Bush fought against a commission all the way.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 11:41 AM
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2. Our party caves in too often.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 11:44 AM
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3. I don't think he should have resigned.
He said he didn't want to be a distraction. But that doesn't at all mean the repukes won't come up with something else right away. It's always something.

This makes us look weak.
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 11:52 AM
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7. +1.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:31 PM
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14. I agree. Jones did not need to resign.
The Decider would have said, "Great job!" He wouldn't have asked for the resignation of one of his appointees who was under attack.

This kind of behavior just reinforces the "Democrats are wimps" meme. We need to demonstrate a lot more spine.

:dem:

-Laelth
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 11:44 AM
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4. Howard speaks the truth--as usual.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 11:46 AM
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5. FYI: Here's the petition that Van Jones signed:
We Want Real Answers About 9/11

On August 31, 2004, Zogby International, the official North American political polling agency for Reuters, released a poll that found nearly half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of those in New York state believe US leaders had foreknowledge of impending 9/11 attacks and "consciously failed" to act. Of the New York City residents, 66% called for a new probe of unanswered questions by Congress or the New York Attorney General.

In connection with this news, we have assembled 100 notable Americans and 40 family members of those who died to sign this 9/11 Statement, which calls for immediate public attention to unanswered questions that suggest that people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war.

We want truthful answers to questions such as:

1. Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?

2. Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not activated during the attack?

3. Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned about his safety or that of the schoolchildren?

4. Why hasn't a single person been fired, penalized, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witnessed that day?

5. Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of dollars of traceable gains?

6. Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Ashcroft and granted by a Bush-appointed judge?

7. How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40 minutes without being detected by the FAA's radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US military?

8. How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as well as to visit houses, restaurants, and flight schools they were known to frequent?

9. What happened to the over 20 documented warnings given our government by 14 foreign intelligence agencies or heads of state?

10. Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, considered the ringleader of the hijackers?

11. Why did the 911 Commission fail to address most of the questions posed by the families of the victims, in addition to almost all of the questions posed here?

12. Why was Philip Zelikow chosen to be the Executive Director of the ostensibly independent 911 Commission although he had co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice?

Those who are demanding deeper inquiry now number in the hundreds of thousands, including a former member of the first Bush administration, a retired Air Force colonel, a European parliamentarian, families of the victims, highly respected authors, investigative journalists, peace and justice leaders, former Pentagon staff, and the National Green Party.

As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:

1. An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer

2. Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.

3. Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.

4. The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.

Given the importance of the coming election, we feel it is imperative that these questions be addressed publicly, honestly, and rigorously so that Americans may exercise their democratic rights with full awareness.

In closing, we pray and hope for the strength to approach this subject with wisdom and compassion so that we may heal from the wounds inflicted on that terrible day.

Signed,

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 11:47 AM
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6. He should never have resigned nor been asked to resign.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:05 PM
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8. Well I enjoyed watching two realities collide
Mine, who signed such a petition and happening to switch to FOX talking about this just a few minutes ago-west coast time. THE HORROR that someone was allowed into government that dares to question the government.

Also he's being smeared as a Communist-Chris Wallace stated it as a fact-which again is ironic- because does a communist work for the government? Apparently he was part of a marxist group for a bit in the early 90's. Thus any association and you are that thing for ever by the other side.

Being part of a separatist movement like Todd Palin doesn't get Palin called sleeping with a terrorist-though that's exactly how the right wing would label her if she were a Dem.
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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:11 PM
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10. Unless your a neocon, then it's fine if your were a marxist in the past
nt.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:49 PM
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13. Not to mention being part of a terrorist group, as most of Chimpy's cabinet was
That terrorist group being PNAC.
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Jeep789 Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:06 PM
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9. Not a thing wrong with that petition
Why are Repugs so worried about investigations?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:27 PM
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11. He's right
It is a loss.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:37 PM
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12. If someone is forced to resign from
a job for which he or she is qualified because of seomething previously thought or signed we are all in trouble. But of course that doesn't happen to Republicans. Pat Buchanan is a prime example. MSNBC should be ashamed for letting him be on their network.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:55 PM
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15. They are winning every battle with their screaming and shouting
and hate mongering.

Glad Dean stood up for him. I doubt anyone in the administration will.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:11 PM
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16. The brutal truth in the Google Era, is this
Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 02:12 PM by SoCalDem
If you have ever signed anything or said anything in public, where "someone" may have a cellphone, or have written anything, you better know exactly "what's out there", before you accept any political job/appointment/promotion.


You can also be assured that there will be people on the "other side", who will make it their life's work, to "investigate" appointees..(regardless of which "side" is in question.

It just is what it is.

The "stuff" that's found out, could be innocuous, but in the super-charged political climate of today, anything can be made sinister...even wanting all people to have health care:eyes:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:36 PM
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17. Since the Rove era began, they have dirt on everyone and they use it.
And the only way we can combat it is to fight back and not worry about the criticism.

I notice the right wing bloggers are attacking Dean viciously right now. Just did a blog search at Google. They are very angry at him.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:41 PM
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19. Or to choose people more carefully
I am all in favor of being aggressive, but in a country the size of ours, there are surely "chooseable" people, whose public reputations are unassailable...or at least defendable.

We know, going into this, that the media is not our friend, and will side against us, in most cases, as they pour gasoline on every match lit by the conservatives, so why hand them kindling?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:46 PM
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22. Well...


Looks like they chose pretty carefully.

Actually by speaking out Dean made himself a target again...and he should have remained silent like all the others do.

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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:39 PM
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18. I don't think that he should have resigned but this,...
is the week when Obama makes the speech about healthcare,and congress comes back and they were and probably still will try to use Van to take the focus off of healthcare or incorporate what Van says to go along with it...
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:47 PM
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20. Now that the Republicans know they can roll Obama
we should expect a lot more of this.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 06:11 PM
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24. It worries me.
that Beck has such an upper hand.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 07:39 PM
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25. Yes, Beck has a scalp now. He has alread issued a triumphant statement. n/t
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:56 PM
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21. They knew his past when the hired him,
so they should back up their own choice in hiring him. I wonder if more info will come out on this.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 04:28 PM
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23. Again, I stand with Howard Dean. rec'd
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 09:39 PM
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26. I agree. Glenn Beck just won that round.
So now he is starting after three others...had the article with the names but can't find it now.

He is gloating.
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