"You won't find them on the Fire line in the American west", says a firefighter on 60 minutes

responding to "Some people say there is no climate change"

Maybe people should listen to those like him who actually deal with the reality instead of paid liars.

What else did he say? :eyes:

(paraphrasing) "10 or 15 years ago, we would have thought a 100,000 acre fire was almost unheard of...now they're fairly common. We can see firsthand the higher temperatures and the drier conditions..."

Stuff like that.

Some of the brush had been there dried for 50 years. Of course it's going to get worse as old dry brush piles up and we do nothing about it.

The Forest Service spends much of its time battling lawsuits against controlled burns instead of actually doing the burns.

and "fire season" was never like this.

I did it two seasons in San Diego County. Largest fire I went on was maybe 400 acres.

Service? Selflessness? Adrenaline junkies?

I can't even imagine working in 140F temperatures at 6,000 ft.

I lived in a area where all the fire companies were volunteer. The volunteer fire fighters families would literally have three generations of fire fighers members at any given time.

It becomes a way of life. The fire company was their family and their social life. The kids grew up with it, participated in all aspects of that life, voluteering not just to fight fires, but to fund raise, march in parades, work in booths at fund raising festivals, et als.

Many also became EMTs and were voluntary ambulance drivers.

The voluteers came from all walks of life: the local Postmaster, the farmer, the sales sales clerk, the line worker at the local railroad repair shops, etc., etc.

All the kids wanted to be firemen when they turned 18.

on edits: loads of typos this a.m.

and they both seem to have this weird calm and soft-spoken nature about them. Far from being adrenaline junkies, I think they are actually adrenaline-deficient. Never experienced panic and wouldn't recognize it if they did. But testosterone--that's squirting out their ears.

Right now there is a team from a Pueblo in New Mexico, and I know some of them.

Please keep them in your thoughts.

:rofl: :hi:

is a good thing. Five-Deferment-Dick is merely the most obvious.

they are the same losers who remained loyal to the King of England

They are also AWOL from dealing with reality.

don't believe global warming is real.

The more accurate statement would have been-- millions of dollars have been spent to convince Americans that global warming is controversial, that it isn't real.

Or even-- some people in America don't believe global warming is real.

Or I'd like to have heard the reporter say-- in spite of the fact that 99.9% of scientists around the world believe global warming is real and serious solutions are urgently needed, some Americans have been encouraged to believe it isn't real.

Still, I'm glad the firefighter told the reporter that he wouldn't find global warming deniers in his ranks.

don't believe global warming is real.

The more accurate statement would have been-- millions of dollars have been spent to convince Americans that global warming is controversial, that it isn't real.

Or even-- some people in America don't believe global warming is real.

Or I'd like to have heard the reporter say-- in spite of the fact that 99.9% of scientists around the world believe global warming is real and serious solutions are urgently needed, some Americans have been encouraged to believe it isn't real.

Still, I'm glad the firefighter told the reporter that he wouldn't find global warming deniers in his ranks.

They do not HELP....

The GOP only sucks in money power

They hate to contribute to the Nation..

They are base level shit heads...unable to compute ....8 x 9 is alien to 50% or more....

They help by PRAYING.... and making sure everyone knows they are religious.

They distrust science and anything high brow... yet benefit and take for granted all science has done for them.

Science haters should not use the benefits of science. They should forgo medicine, electricity, the internal combustion engine, treated lumber, stoves, air conditioners, machine made clothes of machine woven cloth...and on and on. They can go back to being hunter/gatherers....and leave the rest of us alone.

In 2004 and 2005 alone, over 11 million acres went up in flames. For this year so far, it's been 2 million acres. Last year, which was cold and wet, only saw about 91,000 acres burned. And yet even here some people deny global warming, even as villages are falling off into the ocean.

People who should know better.