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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:48 AM
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U.S. Troops Ransacked Swedish Hospital - Daglabdet, Norway
At least they didn't blow it up via a drone guided missile. But, those ungrateful Afghans still object!

http://watchingamerica.com/News/33929/us-troops-ransacked-swedish-hospital/

The hospital is in Shaniz in the province of Wardak and is run by the Swedish Committee for Afghanistan (SCA).

Around eight o'clock Wednesday, an American military convoy arrived at the hospital, says Country Director of SCA Anders Fänge to Dagbladet.no. They tied up four staff members and two relatives of patients. After that they marched into the hospital and searched it.

Fänge says that the soldiers entered both the male and female wards of the hospital, which has around 30 beds in total. The doors were locked and the soldiers did not wait for keys, they just kicked the doors in. One led to a room for malnourished children and the other to an examination room for pregnant women.

The soldiers left the hospital at midnight. They acted brutish and rude and gave the staff at the hospital orders to immediately report any Taliban being admitted to the hospital.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:56 AM
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1. So they searched a hospital without injuring anyone?
In searching the hospital they did minor damage to a couple of doors and according to some acted brutish and rude, I hope the CO stamps their meal cards no dessert.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 11:12 AM
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2. Why the need to tie people up?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 03:41 PM
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4. I'm guessing they restrained them with zip cuffs.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 03:44 PM
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5. Why am I not surprised
that you would side with the state sanctioned violence, yet again?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 07:00 PM
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7. Why am I not surprised that I don't care what you think?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 07:07 PM
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9. I must have missed the violence who was injured?
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 07:37 PM
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10. So you wouldn't mind if the police did that in your house
as long as no one was injured?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 07:39 PM
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11. I thought it was the military and I thought it was a hospital.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:09 PM
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12. The principle is the same
That's the point.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:10 PM
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13. I disagree.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:20 PM
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16. If you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow, eh?
"Oderint Dum Metuant" -Lucius Accius
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:23 PM
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17. No, providing them security and a safe place to raise their children is the best way to influence...
them.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:42 PM
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22. Nothing says "security" like watching the storm troopers toss your local hospital..
Edited on Tue Sep-08-09 09:43 PM by Fumesucker
The mistake you make is thinking that this has something to do with the Afghan people and their needs and wants.

According to the latest Army field manual, COIN operations take a troop to population ratio of 1:25 in order to have a chance of being effective.

The population of Afghanistan is 32 million or so, it would probably take at least a million troops to give even a minimal effective COIN troop/population ratio in that nation.

Local troops are worse than useless, they are thoroughly infiltrated by factions from all around the political compass.

Edited for speling.

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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:45 PM
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23. What is President Obama's objective in Afghanistan?
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 02:29 AM
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24. Convey lots of money to defense contractors..
Beyond that I'm not privy to the inner workings of this or any other administration.

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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:11 PM
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14. You're okay with this?
Authoritarian bullying by the cops of the world is what you support. Good to know. At least your honest about the belligerence.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:16 PM
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15. I support President Obama and our troops.
What I see is a routine search for insurgents that this time included a hospital. In the process of that search no one was injured and a small amount of damage was done that will undoubtedly be repaired at the expense of the US.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:24 PM
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18. What you support
is naked imperialism.

What you support are policies of aggression.

Like I said at least your honest about it. No need to parse what you support.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:25 PM
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19. That's really funny. Thanks for the laugh.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:26 PM
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20. It's not really funny at all
You have an unthinking allegiance to country and flag. It's common. It's one of the traits of the authoritarian.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:29 PM
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21. That's just asinine. I have a great many problems with how these wars have been waged.
And that they have been waged at all. I simply don't find this particular action to be incredibly egregious.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:49 AM
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27. it's a trait of repukes
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:52 AM
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 11:13 AM
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3. Typical US military behavior. And we wonder why the world looks at us as deviant. With
"representatives" like this mob of sadists, it's a wonder that anyone in the world cooperates with us on anything.

I guess being the biggest, baddest asshole on the planet gets you obedience, if not admiration.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 03:51 PM
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6. Winning hearts & minds... nt
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 07:03 PM
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8. I think things are getting a bit out of hand
the lawlessness is getting crazy
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 02:48 AM
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25. 4th Geneva Articles 18/19
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 02:48 AM by Solly Mack
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d9b287a42141256739003e636b/6756482d86146898c125641e004aa3c5

Art. 18. Civilian hospitals organized to give care to the wounded and sick, the infirm and maternity cases, may in no circumstances be the object of attack but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict.

States which are Parties to a conflict shall provide all civilian hospitals with certificates showing that they are civilian hospitals and that the buildings which they occupy are not used for any purpose which would deprive these hospitals of protection in accordance with Article 19.

Civilian hospitals shall be marked by means of the emblem provided for in Article 38 of the Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field of 12 August 1949, but only if so authorized by the State.

The Parties to the conflict shall, in so far as military considerations permit, take the necessary steps to make the distinctive emblems indicating civilian hospitals clearly visible to the enemy land, air and naval forces in order to obviate the possibility of any hostile action.

In view of the dangers to which hospitals may be exposed by being close to military objectives, it is recommended that such hospitals be situated as far as possible from such objectives.

Art. 19. The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit and after such warning has remained unheeded.

The fact that sick or wounded members of the armed forces are nursed in these hospitals, or the presence of small arms and ammunition taken from such combatants and not yet been handed to the proper service, shall not be considered to be acts harmful to the enemy.


Just saying
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daedalus_dude Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:24 AM
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26. Good point. That "solves" this thread. The people who are justifying this are wrong. nt
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