the healthcare industry's' raping of consumers IS the trigger for healthcare reform

isn't that why we've come to the conclusion we need healthcare reform?

:freak:

the trigger is N O W

so it is an all around orgy for the insurers, but they are screwing themselves out of business. Eventually no one will be able to afford these ridiculous premiums and the worst thing we could do is force people to buy into this nonsense. We need a not for profit health care system. The only folks who should make any money are the ones providing the services, but the insurance companies are skimming and it hurts everyone.

the trigger will "keep them honest" :sarcasm:

They really think we're stupid, don't they?

There is going to be a big meltdown I think down the road.

Does he want to follow FDR's path, or does he want to follow Carter's?

Jimmy Carter has done a LOT for humanity since he left office. I think he is a great man. At the same time, FDR changed the face of our society as we know it.

Does Obama want to be known as the man who changed it all for millions, or does he want to reward his campaign contributors?

:evilfrown: Show some respect.

"...well they are also raping employers who can't afford to even supplement the premiums for employees so it is an all around orgy for the insurers, but they are screwing themselves out of business."

"Raping employers" -- AS IF.
"It is an all around orgy" -- ORGY OR RAPE? WHICH IS IT?
"Screwing themselves out of business......."


You are participating and encouraging this clueless, desensitized abuse of language.

From V.3, the electronic Merriam Webster's dictionary:


It seems it the metaphorical use of "rape" is accepted among many, including academics. I'm sorry you are reading it literally, and thereby objecting.

Money is warfare abstracted. Money enables physical warfare. Therefore, money is violence abstracted. I have a little violence in my pocket, as well. Not much, just some change, but it is what it is. Violence.

objectionable, would be the true test of literacy.

They could have avoided all this by offering reasonable plans at reasonable rates, but they did not.

Now why can't our Congress people figure this out?????

(yes it's a rhetorical question)

one of the factions of "reformers" is actually working to pass new law in order to forestall & preempt meaningful change rather than to enact it.

Part of one's job as a liberal or progressive Democrat is to figure out which faction actually WANTS to fix a given problem, and which faction is pushing counterfeit reform. Who is trying to coopt the public's appetite for change today, rather than allow it to push through sweeping changes later. If you're to stop a good & necessary reform, and you can't ignore the public's calls for reform anymore, strike first with your own crappy boobytrapped version of reform.

Once a bad reform goes through, it's done. It can be an obvious stinker but it has the force of law now. And people don't just up and change a new made law.

The "trigger" idea is a straight up con. The con tells the mark give me what I want now, and I'll give you what you want later. The only reason for this ploy is to ensure that later never comes. ANYBODY floating this idea is a snake. This is just the sort of trap you'd expect Republicans to lure Democrats towards, so if it's a Republican talking they're just being true to their own reptilian nature and working hard for their species. If it's a Democrat talking up the trigger idea--one of the supposed reformers--that one is a snake in mammal's clothing. Get a rock or a stick and keep it away.

it's called sucking corporate ass