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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:06 PM
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MSNBC Again Has Armstrong Williams on Hardball. Guess they didn't receive my e-mail?
Naw, they got it. They don't give a shit what we think?

Now if the 'advertisers' were upset.....

Goodbye MSNBC...Now I can Switch to CNN who has the fucking incredible mind of Bill Bennett.

we're screwn.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:07 PM
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1. Let Tweety bring all sorts of people to his show
It would be boring to hear people from only one side of the aisle, in my view.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:12 PM
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4. The problem is THIS..
Edited on Fri Apr-13-07 04:13 PM by SoCalDem
The "different" kinds of people they all have on their shows are PROVEN liars, thieves, scumbags, women-abusers, scammers..

The routine is the same for all of them.

Much hand-wringing and brow-furrowing when their "scandal" emerges from the bowels of the republican slime machine...and then they "go away" for a month or so, and then they are back.. all shiny & scrubbed....and the "problem" is never to be discussed again.

And if someone dares to mention it, they are routinely shouted down or ignored or met with chirping crickets & blank stares.

In republic-land, bad things just go away once you sort of admit to them, and then they are forever gone....unlike democratic bad things.. those endure past the grave and MUST be continually discussed.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:21 PM
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8. I detailed Armstrong's sins in post seven below! NT
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:21 PM
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10. The other problem is that
even though I do agree that many on the right are liars, thieves, scumbags, etc., you need to understand that for a substantial number of Americans our people on the left are pretty much that as well. For instance, a really balanced politics show needs to bring both sides of the aisle to promote debate and make sure the political views of all potential viewers are somehow represented.

That's basically the main problem with Fox News: they have given away their integrity to cater just to one side of the aisle. The channel is a joke because they are just a mouthpiece of the GOP. A show or a channel that becomes a mouthpiece of us, the left-wingers and the Democratic Party, would be a joke as well, even if we happened to agree with what they would say.

So, I'm glad Tweety is bringing in to his show all sorts of people. His job should not be to make anyone or any ideologies look bad: people who represent wrong/evil ideologies will do that on their own.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:35 PM
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17. I agree, but someone like Williams, who has been compromised by this administration
should not be brought in to talk about the morality of Don Imus, who Williams supports, by the way.

It only cheapens Hardball and makes it another 'National Enquirer' of news.

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:13 PM
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5. I have no problem with Matthews bringing on right-wingers. But I do have a problem...
Edited on Fri Apr-13-07 04:13 PM by SteppingRazor
with Matthews bringing on corrupt pseudojournalists who have literally been bought and paid for by the administration. After Williams took his money from the Bush administration, he should have been forever barred from journalistic circles. Matthews having this shill on his show means that some of Williams' odorous taint rubs off on Matthews.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:21 PM
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9. Not that it matters
But David Gregory has been hosting for the past week. I dont think Chris Matthews has had anything to do with what has been going on for the past week in terms of programming.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:25 PM
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14. Which is another problem.
These are opinion shows with very little real journalistic integrity. If Gregory was a real reporter he'd pay no mind to hosting these things.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:23 PM
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11. Williams, Ollie North and others are what the GOP has to offer
in terms of mouthpieces. You work with what you have. After all, having Armstrong Williams representing you makes you look terrible.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:36 PM
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18. From a journalistic standpoint, Williams is worse than North...
Edited on Fri Apr-13-07 04:36 PM by SteppingRazor
he's someone who claimed to be an impartial, if admittedly conservative, journalist who was taking hundreds of thousands of OUR taxpayer dollars to be a Bush mouthpiece.

It's one thing to call people like Hannity, North, and whomever shills or whores for the administration. But this guy LITERALLY was. He has no place in a journalistic forum. As a fellow member of the fourth estate, I find Williams to be a horrific excuse for both a colleague and a human being. He accepted a pile of cash to be the secretly paid-off token-black conservative shill of the Bush administration. He's a nappy-headed ho, if you will. :evilgrin:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:25 PM
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13. MSNBC is paying the guy by the gross. He's been on EVERYTHING for the past two days.
He is PROOF that MSNBC does not give one sorry shit about that basketball team. They slapped him up there because of one thing, and one thing only: his Black face. They want to sell the happy, smiling fellow with the portentious 'moral' opinions to the clueless white viewers who really don't know what he is about.

And that, IMO, is pretty goddamned offensive.

Anyone wanting to gripe, the addy is viewerservices@msnbc.com
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:13 PM
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6. So who are we hearing from on the other side?
Williams, being a past paid Bush spokesman, isn't credible on anything. Who's there to represent the other side?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:43 PM
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19. Dr. Faye Williams..Congressional Black Caucus
She shouldn't have to debate shit with Armstrong Williams. This lady has Serious credentials...Mr. Williams ain't got shit.

http://www.efayewilliams.com/home.html


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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:08 PM
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2. Maybe they're doing it just to bother you.
:evilgrin:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:10 PM
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3. Here's someone to call
If you are really mad about the double standard. Nobody has taken me up on it yet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x648504
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:19 PM
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7. I wrote them too--asked why they had a sexual harasser and a thief
making 'moral' pronouncements about Imus!

For those who don't recall:

....in 1997 he got some publicity he wished he hadn't. Armstrong was sued by a former male employee who accused him of more than 50 incidents of sexual harassment.

In a $200,000 lawsuit, Stephen Gregory alleged that Armstrong kissed him on the mouth, grabbed his buttocks and genitals, and climbed into bed with him on business trips.

He also said his former boss had told him that he loved him, but somehow that didn't make him gay. Armstrong supposedly needed affection because he wanted to stay celibate heterosexually until he got married.

He said Armstrong docked his pay and fired him after he spurned him. First hired as his personal trainer, Stephen worked on his talk show and eventually became executive producer.

Armstrong failed to get the suit dismissed in 1998. Stephen had an affidavit from a guy who said Armstrong propositioned him in 1996. He also had testimony from an ex-intern who had to brush off his advances on his first day on the job....They settled the case out of court in early 1999 because Stephen had his own show and wanted to get the case behind him. In the future, Armstrong, try a more subtle approach. Maybe Clarence's pubic-hair-on-the-Coke approach will work for you.


And then, there's this--everyone take note now:

Administration Paid Commentator
Education Dept. Used Williams to Promote 'No Child' Law

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, January 8, 2005; Page A01

The Education Department paid commentator Armstrong Williams $241,000 to help promote President Bush's No Child Left Behind law on the air, an arrangement that Williams acknowledged yesterday involved "bad judgment" on his part.

In taking the money, funneled through the Ketchum Inc. public relations firm, Williams produced and aired a commercial on his syndicated television and radio shows featuring Education Secretary Roderick R. Paige, touted Bush's education policy, and urged other programs to interview Paige. He did not disclose the contract when talking about the law during cable television appearances or writing about it in his newspaper column.

Congressional Democrats immediately accused the administration of trying to bribe journalists. Williams's newspaper syndicate, Tribune Media Services, yesterday canceled his column. And one television network dropped his program pending an investigation.
Williams, one of the most prominent black conservatives in the media, said he understands "why some people think it's unethical." Asked if people would be justified in thinking he sold his opinions to the government for cash, he said: "It's fair for someone to make that assessment."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56330-2005Jan7.html

Whaddaya expect? The network is owned by pro-war Pentagon contractors.









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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:23 PM
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12. they also like Tom delay and Ken Blackwell as on-air "experts"
but not, surprisingly, as experts in stealing elections! For some reason CNN thinks these two are the proper spokespeople to defend America's "Values Issues>" Ain't that Schweet?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:27 PM
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15. I'd love someone to post and tell me
how many indicted or guilty Rethugs are currently on Cable TV as guests.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:28 PM
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16. Way too many, but again, that truly represents who they are
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:48 PM
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20. Armstong secretly accepted $350,000 to promote
"No Child Left Behind". Did he declare that income to the IRS? If not, why has he not been charged with Tax Evasion?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:52 PM
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21. He 'made a deal'. Read it & weep.
Pundit Armstrong Williams settles case over promoting education reforms
~snip~ Updated 10/22/2006

By Greg Toppo, USA TODAY

1WASHINGTON — Armstrong Williams says the $34,000 he will repay to the U.S. government is a small price to pay to put a 2-year-old punditry scandal behind him.
"I will gladly pay," said Williams, a conservative commentator whose 2003 deal to promote President Bush's education agenda spawned a governmentwide crackdown on propaganda and a Justice Department probe.

Under an agreement signed Friday with the Justice Department, he will pay $34,000 to settle the case.

The terms do not address whether he wrongly promoted Bush's education agenda. They consider only whether he was paid for public-service ads he didn't produce under the contract.

The settlement puts to rest a civil investigation that stretched for more than a year and a half. Under its terms, Williams admits no wrongdoing. He did not face criminal charges in the case.

Williams will actually pay $90,000 in penalties, but the government will reimburse him for all but $34,000. Investigators found that although he billed the government for production work he did not do, he also was not paid for other work he completed.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-10-20-williams_x.htm

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:59 PM
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22. If you or I had done this we would have been charged
with several Felonies. We would have not been offered any sweetheart deal. We would have been tried, found guilty and sentenced. We would have been in Prison for at least two years and fined at least $100K. Yeah, I really believe that.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 05:00 PM
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23. Yet mr. williams is on television speaking of the 'morality' of mr. imus.
what is wrong with this picture?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 05:04 PM
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24. I still want to know n/t
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