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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:16 AM
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Taxpayers Unlikely to Recover GM, Chrysler Investment. (Bloomberg)
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 10:27 AM by Statistical
Sept. 9 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. taxpayers are unlikely to recover their $81 billion investment in General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC and were “left in the dark” on specifics of a decision to aid automakers, a congressional panel said.

The Treasury Department should consider placing its GM and Chrysler ownership stakes into an independent trust to prevent “political pressure and government interference,” the Congressional Oversight Panel said in a report today. “Even if no direct conflict exists, a trust could prevent the use or appearance of political influence in the government’s ownership,” the panel concluded.

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The panel said GM stock would need “highly optimistic” returns in order for the full investment to be repaid. The panel, which oversees the U.S. government’s $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, raised questions about the Obama administration’s transparency in aiding automakers and challenged the Treasury Department to make more disclosures about company decisions and the government’s future role.

“Congress and ultimately the American taxpayer have been left in the dark concerning details of Treasury’s review process and its methodology and metrics at a time when Treasury committed additional TARP funds to these companies,” the panel said.

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“The Treasury auto team failed to disclose to the public both the factors and criteria it used in its viability assessments, the scope of outside involvement in its evaluations, and its basis and reasoning for selecting particular benchmarks,” according to the report. “Simply, its disclosures did not go far enough.

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For GM, repayment of TARP would require government shares of the new GM to be worth $40.7 billion, assuming other debt is repaid. That means the market cap of the entire company would need to be $67.7 billion, the report said.

In April 2008, when old GM shares were at their highest, the company’s total value was $57.2 billion, the panel said. The figure is not adjusted for inflation.

“New GM will have to achieve a capitalization that is higher than was ever achieved by Old GM if taxpayers are to break even,” according to the report. ”


Full article here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aUSIL6EM5ons
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:19 AM
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1. Duh!!!
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:23 AM
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2. Well I agree but I remember hearing a lot (on DU & by Congress) about how it was an investment.
Well initially it was a bridge loan for a "couple qtrs" and then later it became an investment, and then it became an even larger investment in bankruptcy.

Now even Congress is admitting that taxpayers will never even break even on the "investment" it really is just a matter of how much we will lose.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:24 AM
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3. And how about AIG?
Or the multitude of other banks/investment houses that we have billions to?


Just wondering...
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:34 AM
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5. Money paid back (so far) under TARP has a return on investment of 15%.
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/as-big-banks-repay-bailout-us-sees-profit/

Of course it likely will take a decade to completely wind down TARP so it is not clear where taxpayers will stand. Any projection now is likely to be a guess at best. As time goes on and more bank repay it will become more clear how profitable TARP will be.

Some banks will fail and never be profitable, some will be very profitable.

When you consider the govt collected 15% annualized return that is good, when you consider they did it with SOMEONE ELSES money it is even better.

The govt is broke so they borrowed the money (via t-bills) at an average of 3.2%. Using someone elses money (which they paid 3.2%) they made 15%, making 11.8% net profit after cost of borrowing.

Making money with other peoples money. I guess DC does have something in common with Wallstreet.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:37 AM
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7. Except that trillions more were doled out by the Fed
And god knows what other emergency reserves that Treasury already had that they gave out.


A hell of a lot more money than TARP was given out, is my point. The Fed wants to keep it all secret, last that I heard.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:43 AM
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8. Well money "doled out by Fed" isn't backed by anything and certainly wasn't paid by tazpayers.
No taxpayer paid for it, no debt was sold, no future interest payment is owed.

The big question is will the Fed have the will/ability to recall that couple trillion dollar float if/when economy recovers.
If they can't expect runaway inflation. So that is an issue but it is a whole different issue.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:30 AM
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9. All the bailouts were stupid
If health care fails guess what they will point to as the reason, debt.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:25 AM
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4. I'm shocked!
SHOCKED, I tell you!
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:34 AM
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6. not to worry, the Auto Executives will get their bonuses
:sarcasm:
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