Retired general: "Something’s wrong in America..This is nothing but open, unabated racism."

Long gone, buddy. That ship sailed in the 80s.

So I became a democrat.

Where are you gonna go next. :evilgrin:

Not only have they changed their outfits, their song sounds like a cross between Giorgio Moroder's "Baby Blue" and a song by Abba that's escaping me at the moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATtRe8q4tnM

Conservatives or liberals, it's the same process. Sure, the voice is immediate here on anonymous BBS, but out there in the real world, it's more of an alarm triggered not when a cigarette is lit but when the roast is burning and the kitchen is full of smoke.

Most Democrats listen to a lot of crazy shit coming from the far left. It just takes longer most of the time for it to rise to the level of stupidity that Republicans can reach in a short period of time.

One of these days, someone here will declare sushi to be a basic human right, and reason will find many new voices.

had so much power as these far-right wingnuts do at this time.

I find it hard to imagine that will ever be the case.

Here is a clue for you... the feared and not well organized REDS are nothing, and have never been this powerful in the US, 'xept in the imagination of righties...

But you're not alone. The Republicans have convinced even liberals that the middle is halfway into right field. The middle hasn't moved, but the perspective sure has skewed.

...with the over-fishing of the oceans it has become a human wrong!

Of course there is always vegan sushi! The rice and wasabi are really what's critical.

coming from the "far left".

Have you ever seen what happens when the scientist in the documentary disturbs the bat cave?

Bush is really a Connecticut boy.
Bush let NoLa drown because of it's constituency.
Reagan had the largest tax hike in history on his watch.
Bush ignored the 9/11 warnings.
Jeb helped steal an election.
Reagan was mentally unfit for his 2nd term.
Nixon was a racist.

Loony left.

These are "loony left" concepts?

Bush is really a Connecticut boy? I heard a conservative Texan once say of Dubya Bush "He's all hat and no horse." Not a loony left idea at all.

NOLa? It might have simply been a case of gross incompetence. The Bush Administration was negligent in their duty, that is for certain. Whatever the reason. Did they ignore Katrina because of the nature of the constituency? I suspect they did. They are racists, we know they are racists. By them, I mean the Bush controlling neo-con cabal. Nothing loony about it. This is mainstream thinking.

Bush didn't ignore 9/11 warnings? He, in fact, did ignore 9/11 warnings. That is a fact. Now we can quibble about how badly he botched the job, but he did botch the job. They knew the attack was coming, they might not have known which buildings would be involved, they may not have known the buildings would fall completely down, but they had strong evidence the attack was coming. This is not a loony left idea.

Jeb most likely had a hand in the outcome. Maybe he didn't physically change ballots but he had a hand in it. Not loony at all. Nearly everyone I know believes this.

Hell, Reagan was unfit for his first term.

Nixon's own words show him to be a racist. Ever hear the tapes?

I guess Republicans believe considering evidence constitutes loony.

Or any variation on "make gasoline prohibitively expensive, car owning a luxury, and recreational boating and other uses virtual defunct".

YOU'RE just as bad as the REPUKES...!!!

Nelson appears to favor the trigger.



o .u. chhhh.

The General asked about moderates. There are none.

embarrassed to talk about politics. I am sure lunatics such as Addison Graves Wilson, Sr., don't represent them in the least. I am embarrassed for them, as I witness what has become of their party. I am certain they are ashamed.

Just like it's too bad more progressive Dems don't seem to win primaries.

One major difference... we do have more than a few progressive Dems in congress. How many moderate repukes are up there? Two?

Representative Government, we have,

representative of what, I wonder.

I hope some dems are ready to mount some serious fucking primary challenges.

Geems to me that's our best hope of regaining control.

+1 f*'ing million.

I think about 1/2 - 2/3 of the Democratic members of congress would have been Republicans 20 years ago - hell, some of them actually were.

It's a sad, sad situation.

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/4/republican_gomorrah_inside_the_movement_that

Blumenthal details how the fringe right has hijacked the party and are so far out of the mainstream as to be a real danger to civil society.

That would also be equally appropriate.

They now go by the name of "Blue Ball" Democrats. All that's left in the GOP is pond scum.

Annoying the shit out of the left by calling them "unelectable" and doing the job that the Republicans are supposed to do.

But McCain is a coward and a follower when it comes to sticking up to the RW. And then there's Colin Powell.. but there is no way a teabagger type is going to listen to anything he has to say. The moderates might be somewhere but their voices will be drowned out by the Limbaughs and Becks and Bachmanns. Maybe Ghouliani would have sway? Or Governor Arnold S?

A few have jumped ship over to the Democrats.

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:patriot:

Needs to GO!

r

:patriot:

I agree with him, and my wife and I now put up with nothing from RWers. It's also why I started getting involved in the Houston Chronicle comments pages, calling people out, asking for facts, pointing out the fallacies. No one is convinced, of course, but maybe some readers would be.

Where are the people like George (H.W.) Bush who made sense?

No racism there ... let's see: Lee Attwater, Willie Horton, oh, and remember that Barbara thinks that the Katrina evacuees had it so good.

:puke:

Bill palling around with him the last 8years didn't help, either - rehabilitating Poppy's legacy while Carter usually got the cold shoulder.

and people would believe it.

I find it hard to watch Bill and Poppy palling around.

said about atheists? Something or other to the effect that they weren't citizens of the U.S.

In the service if racism was as pervasive as its is outside today, it would be detrimental to good order and control. What happened was a landslide election on Nov. 8th. The overwhelming majority 52.9% of Americans voted for the President knowing the color of his skin. It has become obvious there is a deep seated racist view on the part of the vanquished minority. They can't or will not accept the election. We hear cries we want our country back. I didn't hear them after the 2000 selection and the 2004 election. The civil discourse and dissent of the loyal opposition has allowed itself to completely come off the tracks. They seemed to have become so brainwashed during the 8yrs of the Bush administration that reality has taken a permanent holiday.

How much further will this country sink down this racist trail?

it would be detrimental to good order and control.


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Yeah...I'll bet brown hairy people of Arameic descent agree!

Beside they have other prejudices to worry about...gays ...women...


Still, The General is right. Like Janeane Garafalo said about the tea baggers "Racism, straight up". Has a white Liberal Prez ever been treated this way? (well, they shot Lincoln, a Repug.... but of course we know the parties were reversed back then.) The GOP went nuts during Clinton's terms, but not like this.

come in to make the accusations? Or do they think that those of us on this board who have been making this same point don't have enough clout to bother to respect our opinions in this area?

Fortunately, there are people like the retired general who are noticing our realities are really our realities.

Now, I guess, it matters.

edit: typo

ready to say that he's wrong and he doesn't see what he thinks he sees.

datasuspect

Nice picture of Marx, Engels and Lenin...

Diclotican

n/t

and it's not defined by specific lines on a map anymore. We move around these days, and toxic ideology travels too:(

Legislation can only do so much. What each family chooses to inculcate in their young, determines what kind of country we are:(

If you hate, you will fill your kids' minds with that same hate..laws or no laws

we stopped paying for reconstruction. Let the Republicans have the Confederacy and stop sending the tax dollars to people who would just as soon spit in our faces for taking away their slaves.
We are two separate cultures, and one is just plain weird.

"If you hate, you will fill your kids' minds with that same hate..laws or no laws"

While I abhor the idea of parents like that, I see evidence every day that many, if not most, of America's kids are no longer controlled by their hateful parents, but by the real information they have access to in these modern technological times.

I do understand that living in So Cal influences my experience, but I'm in Orange County, where one would expect a entire new generation of neocons to be growing up. It just isn't happening here. My own kids. The kids I teach. Every last one of them is a future progressive, naturally. One of my son's friends, a Catholic from Argentina, does struggle a bit with women's issues, but we're correcting that flaw in him, slowly but surely.

I believe our youth will be the ones to finally effect real change in American society and eventually in American politics. We've already seen their influence with the election of President Obama. There is another, even stronger group right around the corner who will be of voting age by next election cycle. What is happening right now, imo, is a last crazy ditch effort by entitled, cranky, old white dudes, who are terrified of losing their power. By 2012, maybe 2016, they will be insignificant.

Btw, my father was an angry, hate filled, card carrying Bircher.

We compromise with our enemies and seek to keep them happy at all costs. We toss our own under their bus at the slightest provocation, while never ever demanding that they even pretend at civility and reason.

When will we start to fight? How way too late will it be?

one who fights with more fervor than the OLD Democratic Party.

:kick:

:kick:

Thank goodness!!!!

K&R

Who, coincidentally just passed the $800,000 mark.

Some people are going to look at picture of Brig. Gen. Tom Daniels, and figure he's just upset because he's a black man like Obama.

Especially since Gen. Daniels endorsed Kerry and Obama. and is one of the people supporting the repeal of DADT

people have pointed out the racial dimensions of the opposition to Obama. Why would he get any more respect just because he's a general.

there is an awful lot of stupid mofos out there.

Don't get me wrong. They would jump on sexism bigtime. Hatred of any kind loves the meat it is fed.They hated Dems when Bill was elected, but there is nothing, NOTHING like what is going on now! It's scary, it's real, and it's growing!

wild allegations about President Clinton. All they have about President Obama are pure lies and complete fabrications. If it isn't outright racism this time, they sure are better organized. And the M$M is even more in the tank for the GOP, if that is even possible.

They make mean comments about our President, and most of the time the majority of them take swipes at him in a racial vein. The RNC and corporate media are showing these assholes how to disrespect the President. But the fucked up thing is that had any of these people done a fraction of what they're doing now, the Secret Service would have arrived at their home during Bush's reign.

That's why we called Clinton the first Black President.

It wasn't just about hating Democrats, it was about hating the New South politicians who rejected the old caveman, race-baiting attitudes of conservatives in the South.

It's way beyond the hatred of Clinton.

it's confusion as to why free, and productive members of society would not only willingly allow, but DESIRE massive expansion of federal and state governments that only further regulate, tax and control them.

Confusing indeed.

The time is long past for people of all stripes to wake up and realize that the two party system is on two different tracks, but heading in the same direction. This house divided has incrementally permitted our enslavement, and we argue with each other...odd and disappointing.

By and for the people . . . . . . . Not so much.


Let's take it back, people. It belongs to US...not bankers, not corrupt, pandering politicians, not big corporations, not oligarchs, not unions, not illegals, not lobbyist, not lawyers, and not the media.

It only looks that way when you choose to ignore the investment of the taxpayer in the entirety of medicine and the fact that we allow the few to walk away with the gross profits.

Neal Boortz makes a very good case that a "right to healthcare" does not exist, because for you to have that right means that you have the right to force another person to work for you, something we can't even force prisoners to do in most places. But that doesn't mean that Neal Boortz is right, which is why he has a radio show- he's good at sounding right. We don't have a constitutional right to healthcare, we have a rightful expectation that our government, which has a fiduciary duty to us, will create a healthcare system that is most efficient and effective, covering everyone because even though we may not all contribute equally in this country, we have this notion that something ought to come out somewhat equal.

This is from the regular people... you only saw a couple of kooks with bumper stickers, this is large-scale hatred. The secret service has never been more swamped with threats... this is so different. And the assholes in the RNC and the corporate media are fueling this. They will do whatever it takes to render our President unable to do his job. They are trying to make him into a joke.. a loser like George Bush who couldn't even win a game of Chutes and Ladders against Obama.

No.. this is different. The vocal minority is being given a bullhorn by the desperate tools in the media, and the desperate RNC who is being run by the folks like Cheney who cannot dominate the world and enact their PNAC dreams without being in power. This is big. This is serious.

DOH!

The racist lunatic fringe scum illiterati have run the repuke literati out of the party. And I blame those cowards who ran for letting their party descend into the cesspool that it has become, where all civility and maturity have been jettisoned - all because they have allowed their own media figures like Rash Limpballs and Glen Prick, to run the show.

might give him a heart attack.

they could get in the news was to show how uneducated, dumb and outrageous they are. Palin became close to having the number 2 spot in the Government - how many of the GOP can say that? They ignore President Obama's agenda because if they ignore facts and behave stupidly they will get on TV. You gotta remember we have some dumb people in America and the news media is fanning the flame.

started in the antebellum South, which remains the heartland of radical religious-right hatred. They have spread to the other "Red" States and communities since the Civil War, and have continued to preach their white-supremacist hatred to all who will listen. They impose their racism and religious bigotry on their children, who continue the legacy.

Some people disagree. This level of animosity is unprecedented, and may be in part a natural progression, but it's amplified considerably by something more sinister.

He's right.

Joe Wilson is proof they are starting to have trouble containing their hate.


Hate will eat you up.

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you.
-Yoda

He voted for Obama, and said last night "after hearing that speech, anyone that's so angry about him, I think maybe it's just because he's black."

I laughed. "You think?"

"Don't you?"

"Sorry, Dad, that's how the kids say 'duh'"

:silly:

I figured when Obama was elected, he'd be a lightening rod for all that underground racism to come to the surface. He's a trail blazer, a catalyst for change of old guard vs. new guard. Change is usually chaotic, messy, and awful before it gets better. Still, I am shocked and repulsed at the depth and insanity of the hate out there. But at least it's out in the open now for us to see what we're REALLY dealing with. It gives us valuable information to size up the enemy, so to speak, so we can figure how to counter attack as a liberal base. Yes people need to start talking back, but I for one am not looking at the Repubs to do it. They're so far gone they're not even a variable at this point, IMO.

This place is great! Just try not to take anything anyone says too personally.

:)

:hi:

I checked out your sites by the way, very beautiful work. I'm eyeing the Samhain print on Etsy. The proper pronunciation guide you wrote made me smile...so true! I can't keep count of the ways I've heard it mispronounced. ; )

I shouldn't be too annoyed with folk, because i can remember looonnng ago when i too once thought it was SAMHANE. 20 years down the road and having been to Wales, it's safe to say that i wouldn't really trust any word to sound the way it looks anymore.

Cheers.

Edited to change "work" to "word".

years. No, that's a CRAAAAZZZYY idea. Though I agree the racism accusation is much easier and politically convenient/expedient. Let's go with it.

I wish there were more like him in this world

:shrug:

this. We have the rw talking about turning them against us and I have always wondered what was really going on.

(although he's wrong about G Herbert Walker B)

:evilgrin:

that they're are so many people who are brainwashed deadly idiots that this Retired Air National Guard General is such a unique voice in the Repub party!?!

K&R. The GOP has fanned the flames of racism. Along with Fox News.

...especially the school speech thing - and all parents worried about what "scary black man" was going to say to their precious children.

TERRIBLE, socialist, nazi things like:

Stay in School
Be responsible for your own future.
Work Hard
Pay attention to your teachers.

:wtf:

NOT TO MENTION the health care hatred, Wilson's little adolescent outburst, the monumental increase in death threats to the President since he was sworn in, people going to town hall meetings with guns strapped to themselves, etc. etc.

and even he won't address it head on.

The trend started by Nixon and moved along by Reagan was to have the Republican party become dominated by degenerate old white southerners, still bitter over losing their slaves in the Civil War (no my fellow southerners, it wasn't the "War of Northern Aggression"). Why is this General surprised by their behavior when a black president is elected?

Thanks to the stupid angry vile Republicans.

as if we have lost our collective minds. And that assessment would be close to true.

cowards. Name a single thing that the Bushes or the current republicans that have ever shown courage.

dude, try since I was a small child, try when I was in junior high, try when Kent State happened. Out of Touch.......much, very, mostly, indeed.

God damn right it's racism. It's the new, improved racism. No need for burning crosses, hanging black people from trees or mowing them down with firehoses with this new, improved stuff.

These bigots are literally foaming at the mouth, having convulsions and shitting their own pants with their hate. It's like they have rabies.

Everything they say, everything they do is tainted with it. It's disgusting.

They are the weakest link and need to go form their own cesspool of a country.

This wave of in-the-open blatant racism is as shocking as it is disgusting to a young adult who naively thought this crap was ancient history. :puke:

Yeah, guilty as charged. I pollute my karma by occassionally clicking onto stormfront.org. They claim that they are not a Nazi website but a white supremacist website. Hah! Just watch as they carry on about Jews, Halocaust denying, admiration of Hitler, anger at references of Obama as a Nazi, and swastikas everywhere. But, the thing that gets me is the link at the top left saying "tea parties." Click on those links and it will have planned tea parties and carpooling, and stories about things that occurred at previous tea parties such as good recruiting numbers, interested tea partiers, good contacts, etc. And tea partiers insists that they are not racists! Puhleeze. While some Stormfronters claim that the oldsters at tea parties lashed out at them, ostensibly because of their experiences with Nazis in WWII I assume, the boomers and generations below seem to have less qualms. It's really disgusting reading. And Teabaggers can't convice me that they are only "concerned Americans" without any racist interference. I know better.

But it is true that there is such anger among Republicans now that I have never seen before. People that I once respected seem to use any opportunity to critisize our president and it is with this vile undercurrent of hatred. Sometimes it presents itself in the strangest ways. I went to the local Christian church pastor the other day and asked him about hiring some kids from the church who might need some extra money. He knew we had just lost our 19 year old son three months ago and we are both physically limited due to disabilities and we needed some basic things done around the house, like hauling in wood for winter, since we know longer had anyone to help us with those kind of chores. From that I expected an expression of symphathy, you know "how are you doing, it must be so hard since your son died, something like that. Instead, he started running off at the mouth about the government ruining the economy for jobs and how they would be forcing our heating bills up if they got "their" way and so forth. I debated momentarily if I wanted to get into this arguement and decided to put the blame back where it belonged with our local untilities supplier who had raised rates nearly triple in the last three years even though the price of fuel oil had gone down. I am sure he would have gone on to Obama bashing if I had sat there and listened or perhaps he expected me to join in on his tirade. What is so disconcerting to me is that I went expecting some comfort from him due to his position and instead, he used that time to bash our goverment and repeat these "conspirancy" type theories that he probably got from Fox News. People who should know better are so consumed with anger and hate at our goverment and our president that they cannot even function in the capacity of their vocation. I just don't know where this is going to go. It is frightening.

I have to say I disagree that this is just racism and here is why. Back in 2001 and 2002 a primarily Republican congress/senate passed something called the patriot act and many people were completely numb still when it happened mentally and did not pay attention to the fine print, but those of us that did are just getting angrier and angrier at the direction this country has taken that do not agree with big government options and are in the middle of the road because we have both liberal and conservative views. I do see he makes a valid point and that is that it can be construed that way, but in all the people I associate with the problem is with 1 part or 2 parts of an entire bill not the thing itself. I am completely against a government option in any bill weather it is for health care, automotive manufacturing or any other part of private business, I however am in no way against our government regulating those industries to ensure that we do not get the sweat shops that permeated the US in the early 20th century. I post on both conservative and liberal boards I believe in equality for all (that includes gays, lesnians, blacks, people with purple skin and antlers) but do not believe in government intervention or interruption of those rights when they do not infringe on another persons rights. I am completely against any type of censure to include only speaking politically correct and so on. I hate anyone putting another continent or country before American such as African American or European American or Polish American, I am an American and only an American until we all believe that way we will perpetuate racism discrimination and misunderstanding in my humble opinion. I believe that the war on drugs is and always has been a complete waste of time, money and resources. I agree with the war in both Afghanastan and Iraq, so based on those beliefs I am stating you can see I am not a Republican nor a Democrat. I am a middle of the roader slightly right on some issues, definitively right on others, slightly left on some and definitively left on others. Back to my original point any bill that imposes or opens a door that allows government intervention or interference into my or anyone's personal life I would stand firmly against and with all of the big government options passed in the last 10 to 15 years people like me are getting fed up with both parties that we see as completely corrupt perpetuating a cycle of corruption and feel it is time not for a Democrat or a Republican style change but a change back to where personal liberties and freedoms were the foundation of our country, back to when the government had no right to arrest a US citizen without just cause and only suspicion, back to the Bill of Rights and a government for the people by the people where all of the government works for us and not for any special interest group, which in my humble opinion all of the government weather Democrat or Republican works for. I will however concede that some of this outrage is just racism but for many of us it definitively is not, I would dare say most of it isn't and that only a small percentage is to make it miniscule and insignificant.

took a couple hours to deliver... but i guess it was real early and on a weekend, so i'll cut the mods some slack.

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If the military doesn't understand the chain of command, then we really are one step away from a coup. The military leadership MUST set the example.

THAT'S his FIRST mistake!

Since when did that asshole EVER "make sense"?!!!

We have become SOOO fucked during the AWOL Idiot Son's regime, that HW seems "sane" by comparison...how fucking SAD is that?

There were finally enough "minorities" and non-racist whites in this country to elect a black man president. And the people whose self-described political policy is to keep things the same in America are pissed they have to accept it.

I guess he was too young to remember the craziness surrounding the Brown vs Board of Education decision.

With all due respect General, we know this place.

to help him stand up to these motherfuckers!!!! I am so sick of this bullshit it isn't even funny.

"If President Obama were white, Wilson's venom would never have penetrated through the historical layers of protocol and propriety." - reader comment on Maureen Dowd