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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:09 PM
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I wish they'd scrutinize those bogus Crisis Pregnancy Centers like they do ACORN
I feel like setting up a sting where I send a pretty white girl, who happens to be pregnant, to one and get them on tape trying to coerce her into putting her baby up for adoption.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:16 PM
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1. So true. nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:17 PM
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2. Hell yes.
And make sure to have her ask if she'll get a cut of the abortion profits.

That would be interesting.
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kelly1mm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:22 PM
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3. Why? That is not illegal. However, if they offered her money
you may have something. Not a bad idea on 2nd thought. But afaik most of these CPC's do not get a big % of their funding from the government.
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:52 PM
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4. Hell Yes!
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geek_sabre Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:02 PM
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5. b/c child prostitution = putting a baby up for adoption? nt
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:04 PM
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6. Did I say that?
Did they have a sale at Strawmen-R-Us today or something?
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:18 PM
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7. Has to be white huh? Racist pig. n/t
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:25 PM
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8. Yes, racist...but not in the way you take it, IMO.
The RWs care about the perfect blond, blue-eyed white child ~~ those children concern them. A baby of color ~~ they could not care less if the child was sold, bought or starved to death.

So, yes, a perfect little white baby ~~ gawd's gift to RW suburbia. If that baby was sold for adoption, they might give a shit. A mixed race child or a black child? To those assholes, those children do not matter.

JMHO
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:33 PM
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10. Exactly what I'm saying. eom
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 02:52 PM
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24. You came through loud and clear to me. n/t
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:32 PM
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9. Yes. You should read up on these places.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090914/joyce
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:39 PM
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11. Do those places get government money?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:52 PM
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13. Many of them do. eom
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:49 PM
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12. Why are they "bogus"? And is adoption not a "choice"?
I doubt any woman goes in to one of them thinking that they're going to advise her on anything but an abortion.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:58 PM
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14. They are bogus. They lie to girls about abortion and pressure the white ones to choose adoption
Most of them are connected to adoption agencies in some way and it must be quite the lucrative little racket for them since the one here in Phoenix was able to donate $100K to the anti-gay marriage amendment on the 2008 Arizona ballot. You know, because stopping teh gayz from getting married will save so many babies. :eyes:

Basically, these organizations are promoting a rabid reactionary agenda while acting as a funnel of healthy white babies to affluent fundies.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090914/joyce
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 09:16 PM
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16. That article was an eye-opener.
They try to get the young woman to break ties with her family and friends so they cannot get her to change her mind about adoption. They paint giving up the child for adoption as a way to atone for the "sin" of having sex outside of marriage.

And the coercive tactics to get the adoption papers signed were appalling. There was no follow-up counseling. The promised contact with the adoptive parents didn't occur or stopped.

Very wrong and very sad.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 09:50 PM
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17. I suppose I'd call a vegan restaurant "bogus"
if I really expected to buy a cheeseburger there...

Yes, they have a bent towards adoption, and they are affilliated with fundie Christian groups that are anti-equality on the subject of marriage. But, I'd expect that the vegan restaurant would support PETA, too.

I'd like to see more non-white babies get adopted, but I understand there is serious opposition to white couples being able to adopt non-white children.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:09 PM
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18. Then they should make it obvious that they are anti-abortion, shouldn't they?
The vegan restaurant doesn't pretend that they'll "counsel" you about where to get a hamburger.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 09:49 AM
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19. Every business or agency uses euphemisms
to make it sound better or friendlier or softer than it is. I'd have to say that any woman who is not aware that "Crisis Pregnancy Center" is not a dumbed-down way of saying, "We favor abortion alternatives" probably would likely be easy to fool by a boyfriend that would cause her to consider visiting there.

Abortion clinics don't use the word "abortion" in their names, either. It's all part of the dance we do around the subject.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:12 AM
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20. Bullshit. Just because you are aware don't assume everyone else is.
A 14 year old girl who looks up "abortion" in the phone book because she is seeking information about an abortion should get the information she wants and not be misled by a bunch of fundies who want to indoctrinate her and get their hands on her baby. If you're an anti-choicer you should just say so and not dance around the subject.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:28 AM
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21. And the phone book has them neatly separated
into "Abortion Services" and "Abortion Alternatives". Of course, none of the firms listed in the Yellow Pages has the word abortion anywhere in their title.

My personal beliefs about the subject have no bearing on whether or not that 14 year old girl is going to learn about who provides what services from phone books, and her peers at school. The kids know the difference, they have a fantastic amount of tools available to them that I didn't have when I was a kid to find out things.

If you really believe in something called "choice", then why are the non-abortion choices the only ones you consider illegitimate?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:57 AM
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22. Okay now it's just obvious you're a forced-birther, or at least have the tendencies
If you really believe in something called "choice", then why are the non-abortion choices the only ones you consider illegitimate?

I consider sources who LIE to them to be illegitimate. What is so difficult about that for you to understand? They can go to Planned Parenthood and learn about all their choices, including (despite whatever rumors you've heard to the contrary) non-abortion ones.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 12:01 PM
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23. Forced-birther, yeah, that's a good one
I used to work as a volunteer for PP back in the 1970's, and I do know that they respected people's right to full choices.

I do know that things have gotten quite polarized since then, and we now have people who would force others to provide abortion services against their consciences to keep their MD licenses, if you really want to talk about force.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 09:03 PM
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15. I went to one of those places years ago.
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 09:06 PM by silverweb
I was new in the area and didn't yet have a regular doctor, there were no home pregnancy test kits at that time, and I needed to know ASAP. So I found a newspaper ad for a "free pregnancy test" clinic in the next town, though I had no idea it was a "crisis pregnancy" anti-abortion center.

Anyway, I got the test and exam, had my suspicions confirmed, and while it was definitely an unplanned pregnancy and a late-life surprise, I was tickled pink. When I was ready to leave, no one else was in the waiting room and the staff were gathered at the reception desk.

They all looked bemused and downright glum. I happily thanked them and was ready to go, and one of them said, "This isn't the outcome we usually get."

It struck me as an odd thing to say, but I was pretty oblivious at the time to the existence of pregnancy crisis clinics and had no idea what she meant. All I'd wanted was the free test.

It wasn't until quite some time later, when talking to a friend, that everything clicked in my mind and I suddenly realized why they were less than thrilled with me -- they didn't get to go into evangelical mode, exert their influence, and change a "sinner's" mind.

I laughed then and I still laugh every time I think of it.

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