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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 10:48 AM
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Rolling the Dice Again by Ralph Nader
Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 10:50 AM by G_j
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/09/12-5

Published on Saturday, September 12, 2009 by CommonDreams.org

Rolling the Dice Again

by Ralph Nader

The Wall Street gang is at it again! It's been one year since Wall Street's collapse and bailout took trillions from taxpayers and the sinking economy. The speculative instruments that pulled down the economy were those super-risky sub-prime mortgages, credit default swaps, collaterized debt obligations-you know-Las Vegas East, using other peoples' savings.

As if to elaborate their gigantic con job, the investment banks, guaranteed by you the taxpayers, are now packaging life insurances policies in what sane, on the ground businesses would consider deranged exotic money plays.

Here is how the New York Times described the new securitization packages emerging from such corporate welfare goliaths as Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse and their eager rating agency, DBRS.

"The bankers plan to buy ‘life settlements,' life insurance policies that ill and elderly people sell for cash--...depending on the life expectancy of the insured person. Then they plan to ‘securitize' these policies...by packaging hundred or thousands together into bonds. They will then resell these bonds to investors, like big pension funds, who will receive the payouts when people with the insurance die.

"The earlier the policy holder dies, the bigger the return-though if people live longer than expected, investors could get poor returns or even lose money."

..more..
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 10:50 AM
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1. Goes hand in hand with poor healthcare....
"The earlier the policy holder dies, the bigger the return-though if people live longer than expected, investors could get poor returns or even lose money."


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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:26 AM
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4. great -- so, the "smart" money is on everyone dying as soon as possible.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:19 PM
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10. Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!!!!
:hi:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:20 PM
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11. i'm sayin'!
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:23 PM
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12. Would you like fries with that?
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:35 AM
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6. Goes hand in hand with insurance reform.
That industry pushed 5x increase in mandated premiums for older people will make ins. unaffordable for most of the older working class even with subsidies. I bet they make a bundle when working class policy holders about 50-64 years old die from lack of access to care.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:11 PM
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8. is that why America's life expectancy
Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 02:12 PM by G_j
is lower than many other countries?


edit to add: :hi:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 10:52 AM
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2. God Bless Ralph Nader!
I am a big Obama fan but my politics are of the left!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:20 AM
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3. Nader's right again.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:26 PM
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14. .
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:32 AM
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5. K&R
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 12:15 PM
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7. What could go wrong?
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:19 PM
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9. Must be what the "Death Panels" are for.
:shrug:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:27 PM
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13. Where ya been Ralphie.. This issue is so "last week"
When your only reason to exist, is to make obscene piles of cash, any scam will do:) Wall Street is just doing what it always does.:(
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:54 PM
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15. Are the parasites eventually going to run out of healthy hosts?
They keep trying to come up with a new scam and now it's packaged life insurance policies. When the locusts completely ruin another segment of society and move on, will there be anything left for them to infest?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 09:03 PM
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16. conceivably cancer would live forever
if it didn't kill it's host
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 10:00 PM
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17. .
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 10:05 PM
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18. funny
the rec number is dropping

how they love to hate the messenger!
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 10:57 PM
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19. Didn't you know
everything is Nader's fault?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:20 PM
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20. Amazing what evil they accomplished over the past 8 years... all BECAUSE OF YOU, Ralphie!

Thanks for George W. Bush, dickhead.

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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:27 PM
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21. I rec this (#20)
Yep, thanks a lot Ralphie boy. How much cash did the greenies take from Bushco in 2000? Nader can fuck off.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:28 PM
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22. Another clueless partisan who can't separete the source from the message
Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 11:31 PM by depakid
nor accept that - including on certain issues the new President & Bill Clinton, there's not a dimes worth of difference between the parties' policies.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 02:03 AM
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23. It was going on well before Bush. All he did was excellerate it.
Do you really think a different president would have clamped down on this before it became a crisis?
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 02:08 AM
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24. eh, more DEMS voted for BUSH in Florida than they did Nader
in 2000. Don't blame Nader for the DEM party being so FUCKED UP and RIGHT WING.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 02:17 AM
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26. Democrats will never take responsibilty
Edited on Sun Sep-13-09 02:18 AM by Luminous Animal
to the "traitors" within their own party. An estimated 10-11 million Democrats voted for Bush in the 2000 election. Enough to give Gore, not only the Presidency, but a mandate.

And yes, more Democrats voted for Bush than Nader's total votes in Florida.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 02:27 AM
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I can't see how that's even remotely relevant.
There are tons of people that are registered Democrats who have very conservative views. Them voting for Bush is simply a statement of their views.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 02:27 AM
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27. I can't see how that's even remotely relevant.
There are tons of people that are registered Democrats who have very conservative views. Them voting for Bush is simply a statement of their views.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 02:14 AM
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25. Ah, well now...
Edited on Sun Sep-13-09 02:18 AM by Luminous Animal
This started with Reagan, then enhanced during Clinton. But thanks for the revisionist history. Nader was one of the voices crying in the wind during the Clinton admins deregulation of markets.

Bill Clinton has actually claimed (I'm too lazy too look it up), that deregulation has nothing to do with our current meltdown.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 02:28 AM
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28. I'm still pissed at Nader for putting Bush in the WH
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 02:42 AM
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30. And I'm still pissed that 10 million Democrats voted for Bush
Clean your own house, babeee! It must feel pretty good to those Dems now (and who most likely voted for Obama) to be totally left off the hook.

In fact, I bet there's a whole hell of a lot of Democratic Bush voters that are damn happy they've escaped the heat from the lynch Nader brigade.
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NoUsername Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 02:35 AM
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29. Good thing Congress is on top of the Wall Streent shenanigans
and has put tough regulations in place to ensure the taxpayers will never, ever again have to bail them out for their risky investments. Oh wait...
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 03:03 AM
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31. Saw this in another post today, same sort of replies. All of our problems are Nader's fault.
Nothing ever happened before Idiot Frat Boy's coup. Nader made all of this possible. Yadda, yadda, yadda...
:crazy:
:kick: & R

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