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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:19 PM
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Teabagger turnout....
Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 03:27 PM by ingac70
Here is the pic the conservatives are showing to demonstrate turnout:



And here is the pic I just pulled from the traffic cam that I have been watching all day of the exact same spot.




So what demonstration are they pretending is their own????
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:21 PM
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1. Look at the difference in the flags
Half mast in the first pic, full in the second.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:43 PM
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21. You can see a guy raising the flag in the first pic.
Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 03:52 PM by BuyingThyme
...Well, you could before somebody changed it. Somebody's messing with us.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #21
50. Watch this time lapse video
Of them gathering at that spot and starting the march down to the Mall

3.5 hours in total

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sjvc6baor8
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:03 PM
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54. Strange.
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:15 PM
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68. so the flag is at half mast in the Youtube but all the way up on the live trafficcam?
Who's lying I wonder? - the traffic cam or the video poster on Youtube?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:20 PM
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74. ...
http://www.trafficland.com/city/WAS/index.html
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #68
76. Neither.. I was watching that web cam live this morning myself.
I watched this myself this morning on that exact live webcam, and 2 others.

The time lapse video is legit.
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:30 PM
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79. It's just weird
I've been peeking at the traffic cam all day and did see a crowd earlier - didn't notice the flag one way or the other but it's certainly at full staff now and was when another poster was looking at 9:40am Eastern - which is before the crowd really got going.

I have no doubt the crowd was there - I saw it too. But that flag thing is bizarre.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:38 PM
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83. Yeah my question too
That video is a hoax.
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 05:12 PM
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88. Well I know there were crowds there.
I have been peeking in at the traffic cam all day and saw some crowds grow and then fade. I have no idea what time it was and never notice the flag either way. I will say I never saw the crowds as large as what the YouTube shows but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. If all 30,000 were in that one place, on just that one street that crowd in the YouTube is believable.

What's bizarre is the traffic cam has flag at full mast - and I'm pretty sure it was all day - someone else in this thread grabbed shots throughout the day with both crowd and flag at full mast. But YouTube is half mast all day.

It's just weird.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:13 PM
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63. You saw an image of the guy rasing the flag?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #63
78. The original pic above showed a lone guy at the flagpole.
Now I don't know what's going on with the pics.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:21 PM
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2. Exactly! Here is a Kossack's view on this too:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/12/781110/-Is-Malkin-Cheating-with-Photos-(Updated)

What march is this from?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:07 PM
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57. Is there anyway to "zoom in" and get more detail? eom
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:22 PM
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3. Flag at half mast in top pic?
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:23 PM
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5. Details don't matter to those idiots. That picture clearly isn't even from today. LOL. Flag FAIL.
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:28 PM
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12. the top pic WAS taken this morning
I watched it LIVE and that is the scene i witnessed and commented on in another thread on this board at about 11 am..
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:49 PM
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30. Aren't the flags at half mast for Teddy?
Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 03:49 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
:shrug:
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:56 PM
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45. If it was they have raised it.
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:25 PM
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9. the top pic is from a live cam i saw this morning
at about ten thirty AM and the flag on the building was at half mast as shown.......
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:42 PM
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20. Yes, I saw it too. It is accurate.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:46 PM
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26. I do not recall the flag at half mast but I did see some people on that rooftop
I saw the web cam earlier, as well, it was posted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6530845
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:26 PM
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11. Someone at the base of the flagpole
raising the flag? It seems a bit late in the day for that.
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:23 PM
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4. Well.....there's something a wee bit fishy with their picture
It shows the flag at half mast. Your picture does not.
Are flags at half mast today?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:24 PM
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8. Instapundit is showing that top pic...
Greasy conservative blog.
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WillowTree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:04 PM
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55. Yes. For Teddy.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #55
82. No....half mast on Friday for Patriot Day on 9/11
..
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:24 PM
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6. See what happens when you aren't detail orientated
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:24 PM
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7. LOL,,,,,BUSTED.....the PUBS want attention SO MUCH...They LIE ABOUT IT>>>
They are Loser of the worst kind...

The DeLuded Type

They will never ever GET IT...its Triage time,,, move on, this GOP Party is Done...get the sheets to cover them ...its hopeless
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:25 PM
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10. Who's doing this?
Is anyone minding the store at all? The MSM does this and only bloggers connect the dots?

We're in more trouble than we thought.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:31 PM
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13. Your question was my first one, too. nt
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:31 PM
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14. Flags were at half-staff for Wellstone during the '02 Antiwar Rally.
hmmmmm
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dtotire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:33 PM
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15. WPost says 30,000 registered online
More than that could have showed up.



snip:

About 30,000 people registered online for the march, according to one of the rally's sponsors, FreedomWorks, a Washington-based group headed by former House majority leader Dick Armey (R-Tex.). FreedomWorks and other sponsors, including Tea Party Patriots and ResistNet, comprise a loose coalition of conservative groups that helped organize several health-care and anti-tax rallies during the spring and summer.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/12/AR2009091200971.html
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:36 PM
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16. Here are two side-by-side:
I posted this in another thread with some good responses.

Here's a pic I snagged from FR today:


And here's one I got myself from the same site at about 11:40 mountain time:


DUer Luminous Animal posted a link to a movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sjvc6baor8

So, :shrug: .
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:39 PM
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18. +1, Check the above post, everyone.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #16
60. They must have cleared out in a hurry...or Beck farted ( opened his mouth )
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:37 PM
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17. They were there earlier
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6530845&mesg_id=6530845

and I do recall some people on the top of that roof - maybe they were lowering the flag. What is that building?
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #17
22. you are correct, they were there earlier
I watched that cam LIVE from about 10 AM until around noon............ thats a pretty big crowd you can deny it all you want does`nt change the fact that MANY tens of thousands came to this thing!
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #17
31. Yeah, about 8 years ago
that is earlier.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:41 PM
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19. it's also in an msnbc video
seriously. go to msnbc.com and click the "standing up for freedom" video link (upper left corner).

It's obvious that it's not the same day, you're correct. so why is msnbc dealing for them? i thought msnbc were liberals?
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:46 PM
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25. ""It's obvious that it's not the same day"" WTF!!
that pic is from TODAY!! what, is this the new DEM program, if the REPUBS can lie so can we!!!
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:48 PM
Original message
sorry
i watched that cam too, and that first pic sure as shit wasn't from today.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:52 PM
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34. You are kidding? I watched it too - the crowd was there
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:53 PM
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35. BULLSHIT!!

I clicked on that cam this morning at about ten thirty and that is EXACTLY what i saw... so you are either wrong about your time ( missed it ) or you are full of shit!
"i watched that cam too, and that first pic sure as shit wasn't from today."
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:54 PM
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40. Not full of shit, buddy
place was like a ghost town. You either missed it or you are full of shit. Those are just the facts.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:56 PM
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44. I saw it. I wathced the crowd. There were posts on it here at DU
it was about 7:30 west coast time
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:59 PM
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48. Then I must have been watching that looping cam from Speed
because there wasn't jack shit on my end.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:00 PM
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49. What time were you watching because I was watching since I clicked on this thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6529980&mesg_id=6529980

And clearly I was not the only one watching.

Let's not re-write history here. We're better than that.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:05 PM
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56. certainly not at that time then lol
I must have just missed it
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:08 PM
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59. TxRider, above, just posted the timelapse video
Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 04:08 PM by Emit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sjvc6baor8
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:14 PM
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64. WOW! thanks for that link
the crowd was bigger than i thought, i started watching that came at around 10:30 so i missed the bulk of the crowd.. all you nay sayers: check that video, 2.5 hrs time lapsed... that was a BIG crowd!!
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:35 PM
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80. A sad conglomeration of libertarian anti-government zealots, misguided and misled Republicans,
general political malcontents and hangers on. That's what passes for a "big tent" in the right wing universe.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:17 PM
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70. ok then that's not the wrong time
0800 - 1130. either i was watching a shot of that place from a different day, or there's a glitch in the matrix.
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:02 PM
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52. : then you missed it d_b
simple as that, sorry for the nastiness it just bothers me that so many want to deny the truth, the simple reality is that a very large group of people we dont agree with came together and marched on Washington in protest..
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:51 PM
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33. Something is really obvious alright......
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:53 PM
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36. No, I saw it too
I saw the web cam and it was posted about and discussed earlier today in detail. Many DUers saw the crowd -
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:53 PM
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37. MMMM That looks sooo good right now!! ;) A boboli masterpiece?
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:48 PM
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27. The msnbc video is two hours earlier than my screencap, so it's likely accurate. nt
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:44 PM
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23. Be careful with this. The first pic is what I saw when I first clicked the link to the webcam
earlier today.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:45 PM
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24. What time was that?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:48 PM
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29. About 7 or 7:30 am my time on the west coast, iirc
Web cam feed was posted on this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6530845
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:51 PM
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32. This post was even earlier - was the one that showed the crowd from your OP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6529980&mesg_id=6529980
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:53 PM
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38. No still pic?
There is no pic at this link, nor is there one at the other.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:56 PM
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41. Nope - it is a web cam - live feed
I did not get a still pic but you can see from the discussion - look at this post:

"I bet that flag at half mast in the foreground angrycarpenter Sep-12-09 02:05 PM #2 "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6529980&mesg_id=6529980
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:54 PM
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39. yes, that was the thread.... thank you.... nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:48 PM
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28. First Pic = Starting Point . . . Second Pic = After They Marched Down Street
They marched from the camera location to the capitol.
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:56 PM
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42. WeDidIt: exactly! thank you! N/T
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:56 PM
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43. And the flag went from up from half mast?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:58 PM
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46. The flag was at half mast earlier today
"angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Sep-12-09 02:05 PM
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2. I bet that flag at half mast in the foreground

really burns their ass."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6529980&mesg_id=6529998
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:59 PM
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47. The movement from the mass of teh stupid must have created a vacuum that pulled the flag up. nt.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:01 PM
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51. lol
:thumbsup:
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:02 PM
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53. ;)
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:07 PM
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58. Watching CNN wrapup coverage now
IT was a big time freak show.

I hope they get lots of coverage.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:14 PM
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65. Reading some of the right wing's comments, it's difficult not to "hate them back."
They think that they OWN the troops and speak for the military. Many democrats, dare I say "LIBERALS" fought and died for your half-baked delusions to be aired via Free Speech.

I have to find my "happy place" because a person as Type A as myself could easily get down in the mud and scrap (exchange insults) with them ... it's not worth becoming what I loath.

Time to meditate. ;) :hi:
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miyazaki Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:12 PM
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61. If it's a tea party, where's the fuckin' tea?
:shrug:
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CoffinEd Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:13 PM
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62. Ron Christie says the photo is authentic
And who are we to argue with a man who possesses the unique capability to see in back of the beyond.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:16 PM
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69. That's it! Who are we to question the great Ron Christie?
:eyes:

Seriously, is there a way that we could ZOOM into this photo for greater detail?
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:36 PM
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81. Off-Topic, but does Christie's expression EVER change? Is his entire face botoxed?
He's incredibly robotic and that frozen face - it's just weird.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:41 PM
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85. Who knows? But, in a way, we're blessed to not have so much disposable
income that we constantly mess with our face and hair as far too many pundits and news models do. They're constantly tweeking their hair and botoxing / plastic surgery effects their facial features.

When I saw the Joan River's roast and did a second look at THAT FACE ... well thank God I'm not THAT rich and stupid. :silly:
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:18 PM
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71. see for yourself..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sjvc6baor8
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WillowTree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:15 PM
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66. Interesting. If you watch the 3.5 hour time lapse video in post #50....
...the flag was never raised to full staff.

Which makes me wonder about when the OP's picture is from.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:19 PM
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73. Go to traffic cam
http://www.trafficland.com/city/WAS/index.html

I pulled my pic straight off of there.
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:25 PM
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77. if you go to that link now
you will see the flag currently at full staff, it occurs to me that on sep 11 2001 the nations flags were ordered to be flown at half staff probably sometime in the early afternoon and by custom they would be flown at half staff for one day ( 24 hours ) perhaps the flags were raised to full staff based on the history of the event....
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KatyaR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:15 PM
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67. If there really were 2 million people there,
would they have been able to disburse so quickly? Remembering the Inauguration, somehow I don't think so.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:18 PM
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72. There were 30,000 to 50,000 there tops. We NEVER would be able to exaggerate
these numbers when we were protesing the Iraqi Invasion, yet the whorish M$M is going along with the right wing's propaganda and disinformation.

I despise the M$M. :(
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:22 PM
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75. No way was that crowd 2 million, lol
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:40 PM
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84. I heard 60k but that seems the top range to me after watching that video
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:43 PM
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86. Yes, the crowd was "spaced out" and not "buddied up" in the alleged time lapse video. eom
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:44 PM
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87. I noticed as I watched that cars were still able to pass through the crowds
Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 04:44 PM by Emit
at one of the intersections in the background.

I doubt we will get a good head count, but even 60K seems high, imo. I think an aerial view on the mall is needed in order to estimate the size.
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