Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

How come the flags are at half staff for some of the teabag pics and not in others?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:19 PM
Original message
How come the flags are at half staff for some of the teabag pics and not in others?
The flags aren't at half staff for Kennedy anymore, that stopped on the 30th of August. Does anyone know?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Pangolin2 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:20 PM
Response to Original message
1. For 9/11
...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. That would have been for yesterday.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Yeah, but some of the photos are of the same buildings
Some of the shots of large crowds provided by the teabaggers to show large crowds shows the same buildings with flags at half staff where subsequent photos of sparse crowds shows the same buildings with flags at full staff.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Because the flag was at half staff this morning they raised it later today
The pic is legit, I watched it on that web can live this morning.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. Then the procedure for displaying the flag was wrong
The resolution by Congress in 2001 naming September 11 as "Patriot Day" and instructing that the flag be flown at half-mast said that it should be flown at half-mast from sunup to sundown. There was no instruction to fly it at half-mast the next morning - that is a procedure reserved for Memorial Day:

By a joint resolution approved December 18, 2001 (Public Law 107-89), the Congress has designated September 11 of each year as "Patriot Day." On this day the American flag is to be flown at half-staff on all federal buildings. Many citizens of the United States observe Patriot Day with appropriate ceremonies, activities, and remembrance services, display the flag at half-staff from their homes, and observe a moment of silence beginning at 8:46 a.m. eastern daylight time to honor the innocent Americans and people from around the world who lost their lives as a result of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

http://www.gettysburgflag.com/FlyFlagHalfMast.php


What is the meaning of raising the flag to full mast, then returning it to half mast until noon, and then raising it to full mast until sunset on Memorial Day?

This is a very good question. The closest thing to an explanation that I know of was in the original version of the "flag code" that was adopted in 1923: "On Memorial Day, May 30, the Flag is displayed at half-staff from sunrise until noon and at full staff from noon until sunset; for the Nation lives and the Flag is the symbol of a living nation." The last clause might be interpreted as saying that the pre-noon half-staff period was to honor the dead, and the post-noon full-staff period was to symbolize that the Nation lives on.

However, the custom of half-masting the flag until noon on Memorial Day was around long before it was written into the flag code. This description is from a book published in 1906, which quotes then-current military regulations:

"On Memorial Day, May 30, at all army posts and stations, the national flag will be displayed at half-staff from sunrise till mid-day, and immediately before noon the band, or field music, will play some appropriate air, and the national salute of twenty-one guns will be fired at 12 M. at all posts and stations provided with artillery. At the conclusion of this memorial tribute, at noon, the flag will be hoisted to the top of the staff and will remain there until sunset. When hoisted to the top of the staff, the flag will be saluted by playing one or more appropriate patriotic airs. In this way fitting testimonial of respect for the heroic dead and honor to their patriotic devotion will be appropriately rendered."

Clearly, the idea was that the moment of noon ("12 M." was short for "12 Meridian") would be the focus of the symbolic tribute to the fallen. However, the specific reason for raising the flag to full mast at noon was not spelled out. (The modern US Army instruction on "Salutes, Honors and Visits of Courtesy" says basically the same thing as the 1906 language.)
http://www.usa-flag-site.org/forum/meaning-of-half-mast-until-noon-5731.html


Is the building shown with the flag a government building?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:27 PM
Response to Original message
5. Check the skies in the photos -
one poster tried to pass off an old - from April - photo as his today, but the skies in that photo were bright and blue.

It's a gray, overcast, cool day here today, so check the skies.

I suspect people are posting bogus photos. I have no idea why..................
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stenwin77 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. An interesting time lapse of today's march
maybe it will answer the flag question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoPud1TeubM
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. 1.5 to 2 million?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's hilarious......................
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jasi2006 Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Wouldn't it have taken more time for 100k people to clear out?
My guess by the time lapse video is 25-30k. I could be wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. How wide would you say that road is?
150 ft?

Allowing 4 square feet per person (2ftX2ft) and using the claim of 2 million people we get:

8,000,000 sqft.

8,000,000 divided by 150ft = 53,333 linear feet of people on a 150 ft wide road for 2,000,000 people total.

1 mile = 5280 ft.

10.1 mile procession.

Lots of assumptions there but I'd be surprised of it was a 2 mile procession (400,000); I'd guess more like 0.5 miles (100,000).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat Apr 20th 2024, 10:12 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC