OK, is this pic legit - aerial view of today's circus in DC?

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:05 PM
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OK, is this pic legit - aerial view of today's circus in DC?

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:35 PM by Skip Intro

it came from a facebooker, haven't seen it elsewhere. Any idea?

(on edit, changed arial to aerial)

again on edit, it is not from today, see Mosby's post #36 - I knew DU would come through!

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Myrina

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:06 PM
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1. I suspect not ...

.... here's one posted elsewhere on DU from a firsthander:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6533871

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Emit

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:30 PM
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50. Just to clarify, I was not there

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Myrina

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Sat Sep-12-09 07:07 PM
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71. Oops, my bad

:hi:

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TxRider

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:30 PM
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52. I seriously doubt it as well

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girl gone mad

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:30 PM
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53. Here's the same picture..

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:35 PM by girl gone mad

Posted on FR in 2008..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2174736/posts

Promise Keepers March.

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xultar

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:07 PM
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2. That shit wasn't from today. That is a fucking file pix. It was cloudy in DC

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:08 PM by xultar

today.

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progressivebydesign

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Sat Sep-12-09 06:10 PM
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66. BINGO!

I also love the "live" webcam shots that showed tons of people with a strangely cloudy sky and a flag at half mast, then suddenly the clouds changed.. the light changed. and the flag was at the top of the pole. People are grasping for straws out there. Desperate to pretend they have a movement.. when all it is is a bunch of angry old Glenn Beck groupies who are still pissed that Ron Paul didn't win. Most are libertarians in my neck of the woods, they're the ones pushing a lot of this, and the ones with the hitler posters.

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JanusAscending

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:07 PM
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3. I VERY SERIOUSLY doubt it!

No way they had that many people!

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warrior1

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:07 PM
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4. Looks like from the Inauguration

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Touchdown

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:11 PM
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15. The trees are too green for that.

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:13 PM by Touchdown

But I do agree with the others. That crowd is from some other time. No way it was taken Today.

Here's one from The Inaguration...

The trees are bare.

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Tangerine LaBamba

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:18 PM
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29. The trees are very green here -

that's not the problem.

It's not sunny today, and the shadows in that photo show a sunny day.

Bogus..............................

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Touchdown

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:24 PM
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41. But not last January, and this is also not Todays photo.

Let's do the photography analyzing.

Did they have a bandstand close to the Capitol pool that big Today? There would have been pics of it.

The trees were definitely not green last January.

Even if it was a clear day, the shadow of Wash Mon. would make the time of the shot sometime in late afternoon (looks to me like 4-7pm depending on how close to Solstice), not before 12pm, when the event was taking place. The camera is facing east, meaning the shadow is obviously afternoon.

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Tangerine LaBamba

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:49 PM
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61. You're not getting it -

On a day like today, there is no shadow thrown by the Washington Monument. None.

You're making it far too complicated.

Just the trees give it away, and that's all it takes..................

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alfredo

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Sun Sep-13-09 10:23 AM
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75. It also shows Teepees. Those are from the Promise Keepers March.

Google Promise Keepers March and check images and you will see that picture.

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Skip Intro

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:13 PM
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19. That's what I was thinking.

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Emit

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:14 PM
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21. Not big enough for that

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hobbit709

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:08 PM
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5. I doubt it was taken today.

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ingac70

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:08 PM
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6. That is from the Inauguration.

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ezgoingrl

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:08 PM
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7. I think it's from the concert

right before the inauguration.

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marketcrazy1

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:10 PM
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13. how can it be from the inauguration

the trees are in full leaf!! it may not be from today but it is positively NOT from inauguration day!!!

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d_b

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:09 PM
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8. that isn't real, silly. this is the real one

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malaise

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:09 PM
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NO that's the inauguration

DC fire services say 60,000 - 70,000 people showed up today.

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Touchdown

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:17 PM
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26. No, it isn't. The trees are green

Bare trees in January.

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Tangerine LaBamba

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:20 PM
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32. No, the trees are in full green in that photo -

as they are today. It's definitely NOT the inauguration.

But it's also not a photograph taken in DC today - it's been overcast and cloudy all day.

No shadows.

Picture is from something else............................

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Lost-in-FL

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:09 PM
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9. It was cloudy today in DC for what I hear.

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:10 PM by Lost-in-FL

I don't think this pic if from today.

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Working Class Hero

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:10 PM
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10. That pic is not from today

It is from inauguration day :kick:

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Ruby the Liberal

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:10 PM
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11. Look at the shadow the memorial is casting

I doubt that it is from today. Very overcast.

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Mayberry Machiavelli

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:10 PM
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12. I doubt it. That would be something similar to the inauguration or antiwar protests,

and you'd better believe there would be TONS of coverage of it and FOX News would be showing those views in real time constantly.

The facebooker wouldn't happen to be a right winger, would it?

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marketcrazy1

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:12 PM
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18. every tree in the photo is in full leaf!

no way that is from inauguration day......

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Mayberry Machiavelli

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:23 PM
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39. I didn't say it was from inauguration day.

I said those kind of numbers would be inauguration type numbers, and I doubt that would have happened without gigantic media coverage. Fox at least would have had a helicopter hovering to get shots of that as much as possible, all day.

I was at the inauguration and have pics and the ground was brown, and the crowd at the Wash monument was on the other side.

The stage and speaker setups all through the mall make me think it's likely for some other event like free 4th of July concert etc.

It's nice to see that your enthusiasm for the teabag crowds had followed through many threads though! ;)

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CBR

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:11 PM
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14. I do not think it is the inauguration (look at the trees)...

someone at another site suggested promise keepers 1997... wingnuts would have that on file.

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:12 PM
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17. agreed

definitely not inauguration.

also definitely not today.

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vademocrat

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:11 PM
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16. Doubt it - from other pictures I've seen, it was cloudy in DC today

and there wouldn't be a shadow from the Washington Monument. None of the other pictures have been aerial photos.

Where did you find this?

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Lost-in-FL

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:13 PM
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20. nevermind, nt

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:19 PM by Lost-in-FL

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Julius Civitatus

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:14 PM
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22. That's a photo os OBAMA'S INAUGURATION

It was a sunny winter day in DC. Today it was cloudy in DC. The photo shows clear sharp shadows.

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Pangolin2

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:15 PM
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25. No, the trees are in full leaf. They are not like that in January.

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marketcrazy1

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:17 PM
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there is a photo of the inauguration in this thread

and in it you will plainly see all the trees are BARE!! NO leaves!! this pic IS NOT from inauguration day and it WAS partly sunny this afternoon..........

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Pangolin2

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:14 PM
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23. Hard to say. The shadows are consistent with mid afternoon this time of year

but some are saying it was overcast in DC today so they wouldn't have been that sharp it seems. It's a shitload of people in any case.

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Posteritatis

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:15 PM
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24. I can't believe how many people are claiming a summer picture is the inauguration (nt)

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Pangolin2

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:17 PM
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28. Well, nobody ever went broke overestimating the meteorological acumen of internet posters.

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Touchdown

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:18 PM
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30. I know!

:spray: :rofl:

Trees in January....

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anigbrowl

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:20 PM
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34. Me neither...wonderful idiot test though.

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Pangolin2

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:22 PM
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37. Somtimes I just really have to bite my tong....er, fingers.

:silly:

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Parker CA

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:17 PM
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27. Definitely looks like some concert with the large stage at the top of the mass of people.

Did the Freep Fest have a large stage like that today?

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marketcrazy1

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:19 PM
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31. Did the Freep Fest have a large stage like that today?

yes.............

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Parker CA

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:20 PM
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33. Pics from the ground?? nt.

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ThomWV

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:21 PM
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35. See that distinct shadow of the Washington Monument? It was cloudy in DC today I believe.

There would be no distinct shadow.

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marketcrazy1

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:24 PM
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40. in the early afternoon it was partly cloudy

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:37 PM by marketcrazy1

so there could have been a shadow cast, ...........( edit ) the pic is from another event. so they are actually trying to pass this off as today??

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DainBramaged

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:31 PM
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54. Nope. Promise keepers march, see below.

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DainBramaged

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:25 PM
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42. Weather today in Washington DC

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:27 PM by DainBramaged

it was cloudy ALL DAY, this is a bogus photo.

http://weatherbonk.com/weather/webcams.jsp?where=20023&cm_ven=wx_bonk&cm_cat=wx_com&cm_pla=today_cc&cm_ite=undecl

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Mosby

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:22 PM
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36. well according to Free Republic

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:24 PM by Mosby

the pic is from the promise keepers march. See this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2174736/posts

Note that the original pic of the OP is in the FR thread.

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Julius Civitatus

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:25 PM
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43. BINGO! - Good job. They are BUSTED!

The wingnuts are in full force trying to spread bullshit about the attendance to this march.

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Skip Intro

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:27 PM
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46. Killer find!

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DainBramaged

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:28 PM
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48. Freepturds busted YET AGAIN

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:29 PM by DainBramaged

The internets, like the cleansing rays of sunshine on a gaping, toothless mouth.

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edhopper

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:32 PM
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55. The properties from this photo show

throughtheveil.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/stand-in-the-gap.jpg

That's 2008.

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Mosby

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:39 PM
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59. another photo from the promise keepers march

http://hematite.com/dragon/gcmmm.html

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DainBramaged

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:52 PM
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62. here important links

http://throughtheveil.wordpress.com/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/throughtheveil/

So they pilfered HIS photo and claimed it for their own

FRAUDS.

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Parker CA

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:30 PM
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51. Well done. Good sleuthing! I commend you for wading into the pit of bile in Freepville. nt.

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Julius Civitatus

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:23 PM
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38. Possible candidates here...

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:23 PM by Julius Civitatus

March for Women's Rights in 2004 (it drew half a million people):

http://www.amberdragonflypress.com/march/index.htm

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marketcrazy1

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:28 PM
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47. see that large tan building

in the upper right hand area of your photo? .... it is not in the ops pic at the top of this page so no go on that one..

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TK421

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:26 PM
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44. A fake n/t

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:27 PM by TK421

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Posteritatis

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:35 PM
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57. It's a perfectly legit photo, it was just taken twelve years ago. (nt)

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TK421

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:46 PM
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60. Understood....it didn't represent the so-called teabaggers union

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blogslut

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:27 PM
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45. Something off about that pic

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:28 PM by blogslut

Notice how all the "bodies" are almost uniform in shade? White. Too white to be actual humans at all.

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bkkyosemite

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:30 PM
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49. The sun is shinning on the buidlings but what I saw of it it was very cloudy

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HughBeaumont

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:33 PM
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56. One clue is that there was something other than the TeaBirther March on the mall today.

NNCW has their annual Reunion or something. Huge event on the mall. No TeaBirthers welcome.

So, as pointed above, it's a fake. This morning and now.

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Christa

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:37 PM
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58. Cloudy in all the photos I have seen

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 05:38 PM by Christa

The tens of thousands of protesters marched to the U.S. Capitol chanting various slogans and waving posters that voiced a rather broad array of grievances against big government and the leaders, particularly President Obama, who the protesters blame for its size and scope.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/12/tea-party-express-arrives-march-washington-protest-government-spending/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/12/taxpayer-march-on-washing_n_284477.html

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DainBramaged

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Sat Sep-12-09 05:58 PM
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63. HOLY SHIT THIS PHOTO IS FROM 1997

http://www.flickr.com/photos/throughtheveil/2291798365/

October 4, 1997. National meeting sponsored by Promise Keepers (this picture is from them) of 1.4 million men to pray, praise, worship, and pray more.

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foo_bar

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Sat Sep-12-09 06:21 PM
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68. yep. except for the 1.4 million part.

Hundreds of Thousands Gather On the Mall in a Day of Prayers

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/05/us/hundreds-of-thousands-gather-on-the-mall-in-a-day-of-prayers.html?pagewanted=all

Hundreds of thousands of men participated in Stand in the Gap: A Sacred Assembly of Men, a day of personal repentance and prayer.

http://www.promisekeepers.org/faqs/faqs---general-information/what-was-stand-in-the-gap-all-about

The 1997 Washington Rally

A record-breaking rally "Stand in the Gap: A Sacred Assembly of Men" was expected to include 700,000 men on 1997-OCT-4 in the National Mall of Washington DC. The rally was originally scheduled for 1996, but was delayed one year. Organizers were concerned that it would have been politicized by being associated with the 1996 elections. The name of the rally is taken from Ezekiel 22:30, in which God looks for a man who will "...stand before me in the gap on behalf of the land so I would not have to destroy it..." (NIV) One initial attendance estimate was that over 1 million men came - the largest gathering of men anywhere. (Louis Farrakhan's Million Man March attracted 400,000 to 870,000. A 1993 Mass conducted by Pope John Paul II in Denver CO attracted an estimated 600,000 people.) The Metro subway system reported that 702,000 people had passed through its turnstiles by 9 p.m. Ridership on a typical Saturday is about 200,000. Both Promise Keepers and the National Park Service did not make estimates of the crowd size, but most professional estimators gave figures in the range of 500,000 to 1 million.

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:Zc8cdW4FgSEJ:www.religioustolerance.org/chr_pk1.htm+%22Promise+Keepers%22+%22National+Mall%22&cd=30&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

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Robb

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Sat Sep-12-09 06:22 PM
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69. Nice. Excellent catch. nt

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Gabi Hayes

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Sat Sep-12-09 06:07 PM
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64. I watched some of it on CSPAN, and here's where they were, exactly:

Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 06:11 PM by Gabi Hayes

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/National_Mall

Scroll down to the mall shot
See area number 7, and the two little oval-like areas, adjacently north and south of number 7? that's where they were...that's it

there was NOBODY west of the blue pool (area number 8) directly west of number 7....NOBODY--I was watching specifically to see a long shot of the crowd to get an idea of size. it was the only one they showed in over a half hour of watching

check the rerun, if they have it.

it should be very easy to estimate the size of that crowd

did anybody catch those hip hoppers, btw? I can guarantee that Jon Stewart is going to have a segment on them......absolutely and without doubt the WORST 'rappers' I've ever seen, and the response of the crowd was great, too. lots and lots of not paying any attention at all.

can you think of a kind of entertainment LESS geared to those pasty white ignoramo-s?

I also scanned the crowd for any dark African Americans (to be fair, doesn't mean there weren't any) and found none, except for one of the two 'rappers.'

Dick Armey's phony tan was the darkest skin I saw...by far....didn't see Boehner

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Emit

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Sat Sep-12-09 06:07 PM
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65. Here's a video posted from today's event that has a bit of an aerial view

I think it's safe to say that the pic in your OP is not from today. Seems it may, in fact, be from the Promise Keepers event in '97.

Anyway, here is some CSPAN coverage from today:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x370059

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Duke Newcombe

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Sat Sep-12-09 06:17 PM
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67. That looks just like pix I've see from the President's Inauguration

That Facebooker is full of it.

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totodeinhere

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Sat Sep-12-09 06:25 PM
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70. CBS News reported that...

"The line of protesters clogged several blocks near capitol." So based upon that, I think it's safe to assume that a lot of people were there whether or not the picture is legit.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/12/politics/main5305732.shtml

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Lex

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Sat Sep-12-09 07:10 PM
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72. 25 to 30 thousand.

Big whoop.

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truth2power

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Sun Sep-13-09 10:01 AM
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73. Ok, just a head's up. You don't even have to talk about trees and shadows and such. Just look

Edited on Sun Sep-13-09 10:09 AM by truth2power

at the patterns. Whenever the freepers try this crap, you can pick out patterns of people or traffic and compare.

Look at the area just to the right of the Washington Monument where there are few people on the grassy area. Look at the pattern of where people are standing. Also look at the pattern of traffic on the street to the right side of the pic.

Then compare the same patterns on the alleged 9/12 pic. They are exactly the same. It's absurd to think that people and traffic would be in exactly the same positions in both photos taken months (or years) apart. :crazy:

I know the picture has already been totally discredited on this thread, but I just thought I'd add this, for future reference.

Not to give the poor morons any ideas, but you'd think they'd photoshop and move some of the people around. :rofl:

eta> Just so it's clear, I'm comparing that picture to the link from FR in Girl Gone Mad's post #53 in this thread. I had about 5 tabs open and it's somewhat confusing. Here's the link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2174736/posts

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74. It looks like they stole a pic from the inagural.

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76. It's from Promise Keepers in 1997 - not yesterday

http://www.flickr.com/photos/throughtheveil/2291798365

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77. It appears to be missing the WWII Memorial...

Obviously taken prior to this decade.

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