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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:13 PM
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Obama "BASICALLY KILLED THE PUBLIC OPTION" & stuck the knife in liberals - David Brooks
Edited on Sun Sep-13-09 08:19 PM by grahamhgreen
Conservative David Brooks said today on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" that Obama "basically killed the public option".

And that liberals were ecstatic Thursday morning, until they realized that Obama had stuck the knife in them.


I agree with his assessment.

Have a listen, it's about 6 minutes in: http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=8560642



NO PAY OR PUNISH Provision - PAY AND PROVIDE only!

LET'S GO BACK TO SINGLE PAYER - THIS PLAN SUCKS. http://pnhp.org, http://hr676.org


It simply provides 30 million new customers for big insurance and give us no real reform, IMHO.


Without the public option, this means that we are essentially paying taxes to private entities.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:15 PM
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1. exactly. the windfall is for insurance cos
the rest of us get the shaft.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:15 PM
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2. Hear, hear! n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:16 PM
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3. Brooks isn't as bad as others, but just as willing to stick his knife unless Obama goes GOP. He
doesn't know. Period.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:18 PM
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4. Did Obama say the bill MUST HAVE A PUBLIC OPTION? NO! Only that you must PAY OR BE PUNISHED!
And without the public option, this means that we are essentially paying taxes to private entities.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:20 PM
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5. No he didn't
and that's all the response this deserves.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:24 PM
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7. How cogent - how bout an example of where he has said a public option MUST be in the bill.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:21 PM
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6. Does he have some newfound credibility or something?
http://www.opednews.com/articles/David-Brooks-Lies-on-Heal-by-David-Fiderer-090912-926.html

A lot of people buy in to Brooks' pseudointellectual shtick for making grand pronouncements that presume to define reality. In the ultimate tribute to Washington's groupthink, George Stephanopoulos invited Brooks on to his show to present a video clip of Katie Couric asking Barak Obama to respond to a Brooks column that could have been dictated by Roger Ailes: “The party is led by insular liberals from big cities and the coasts, who neither understand nor sympathize with moderates. They have their own cherry-picking pollsters, their own media and activist cocoon, their own plans to lavishly spend borrowed money to buy votes.”

Before he attacked Obama as a liberal elitist, Brooks touted Sarah Palin as the embodiment of reform. Brooks designated the Alaska governor as, “the rarest of creatures, an American politician who sees the world as does. Like McCain, Palin does not seem to have an explicit governing philosophy. Her background is socially conservative, but she has not pushed that as governor of Alaska. She seems to find it easier to work with liberal Democratsthan the mandarins in her own party. Instead, she seems to get up in the morning to root out corruption.” Only a fool would believe that Brooks had scrutinized Palin's record; he was simply parroting the same crap as Bill Kristol.

For a couple of months now, Brooks has been pushing two fraudulent claims lifted out straight out of the Republican playbook:

* Obama's proposals on healthcare reform do nothing to cut costs; and
* He wants to impose punitive taxation on the middle class.

His latest New York Times column encapsulates his disinformation campaign. True to form, Brooks, opened on a positive note. “On Wednesday night, Barack Obama delivered the finest speech of his presidency,” he wrote, and began his deceptions a few paragraphs later.............
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:28 PM
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10. He is a propagandist, but it is easy to say "I will not vote for a bill unless it has a strong
public option."

Since we never hear this, and have given trillions to war profiteers and banks, one can conclude he may well be uninterested in the public option or real reform..
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:31 PM
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12. If he does that, reconciliation for a public option may be out.
I'd prefer he not draw that line in the sand.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:29 PM
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25. That was my question. Since when do we give a crap what David Brooks thinks?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:25 PM
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8. Really? I thought Congress dictates the legislation?
I can't imagine that Brooks would like nothing better than to tear the Party in 2. I'm betting more and better Democrats in Congress can propose future legislation that will get us closer to a real national healthcare system...and Obama will gladly sign it.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:26 PM
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9. LOL! Scraping the bottom of the barrel with Brooks? Okay, not the bottom. Just the sides.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:31 PM
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11. I wonder how many days we'll have to look over the bill before it's voted on.
Doesn't it seem strange to you that he never draws lines in the sand that progressives are for, only for things the conservatives want?
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:37 PM
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13. Yes, David Brooks always has the best interests of his liberal friends at heart.
Edited on Sun Sep-13-09 08:37 PM by smoogatz
We should believe everything he says.

Not. Duh.

On edit: unrec.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:49 PM
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15. Yeah I had much the same thought about a George Will column
George is often writing columns advising Democrats. His advice, of course, is that they should be more like Republicans or some such. And I wondered 'why should we listen to a long time enemy?'
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:45 PM
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14. he said much the same thing in his recent column
and Somerby seemed to agree with him.

"Sad but seemingly true: On reflection, we tend to agree with David Brooks. We don’t mean this as a criticism of Obama, who may have made a rational calculation of possibilities, as Brooks suggests. But we’d be inclined to agree with this overall assessment:

BROOKS (9/11/09): In short, the president can read the polls just like anybody else. He has apparently recognized the need to pull back to get something passed. He is, characteristically, trying to rise above old divisions in search of a pragmatic sweet spot. He has opened up many opportunities for intelligent Republicans and moderate Democrats to constructively offer amendments to improve the bill and bring it closer to fiscal sanity.

Which is not to say that this is effective health reform. The only risible parts of the speech came when Obama said that parts of the system work (they don’t; they’re unsustainable) and when he said he would be the last president to take on health care (we still await a president willing to take on fundamental perversities in the system).

For whatever reason, President Obama has decided not to be that president. He has decided to expand the current system, not fix it. His speech on Wednesday, and the coming legislative changes, make it much more likely he will achieve his goal."

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh091109.shtml


Still, I am not sure how I feel about these things. Obama said public option was a means to an end, not an end itself. I prefer an option that does not have mandates, although I can see the arguments for a need for mandates. I guess I prefer that people be given an option of coverage rather than a compulsion to pay for it. It also depends on the subsidies that people get too. Will they be sufficient and will they cover enough people?

Then there's insurance company regulation. What sort of coverage will people be paying for?
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:52 PM
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16. Brooks = FAIL, imo. n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:01 PM
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17. DU places their trust in David Brooks? Is Rush next?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:13 PM
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22. As long as it's anti-Obama, DUers will love anything.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 12:14 AM
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32. True dat.../
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:06 PM
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18. lol brooks
that's where i always go for analysis. right after rush.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:07 PM
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19. fuck off david brooks
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:12 PM
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20. You mean this David Brooks?


http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2005/05/mockery-of-traditional-heartland.html
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:12 PM
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21. Once again, it's difficult to tell the difference between DUers and right wingers...
Both love David Brooks, for example.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:18 PM
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23. Well... when the RW starts to wake up....there's gonna' be Hell to Pay! n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:18 PM
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24. and David Brooks has been right about what


This is the guy who in 2003 started saying that in 6 months the situation in Iraq would improve, and repeated the same thing every 6 months.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:31 PM
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26. Nothing, other than knowing how to manipulate dumbass Democrats
who, for whatever their reasons, believe a Republican Dumbass like David Brooks.

Boy, guess that's who he was writing to; bait and all! :rofl:
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:35 PM
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27. " LET'S GO BACK TO SINGLE PAYER" ?!?!?
Go back? It was never there to begin with.

Although I would prefer this and think it is the best solution, Obama never promised this or put it on the table.

You sound like a girl yelling at a guy for not keeping the promises that he never made.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 12:07 AM
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29. Buy insurance from a con artist or get fined? That's the plan? RU serious?
Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 12:20 AM by grahamhgreen
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:41 PM
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28. I'm taking that as good news
Brooks is an idiot. It's like listening to my parents. Whatever they say, believe the opposite and odds run 95-99% that you'll come out ok. :rofl:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 12:10 AM
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30. shouldn't need Brooks to tell us anything...
Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 12:22 AM by G_j
:wow:
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 12:10 AM
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31. bwahahaha ahahahahaha ahahahahaha ahahahaha ahahahhahaha ahahaha
david brooks???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 12:16 AM
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33. I sure wish you or he knew what the fuck you're trying to talk about.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 12:33 AM
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35. No public option + mandatory insurance = you pay taxes to a corporation
Who will never stop trying to screw you out of your coverage.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 12:43 AM
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36. Can I see a bill on the way to his desk before the doomers and gloomers
and the out and out haters get all panicky and run around in circles???

Notice how there are so many conflicting reports from the mouths of dems -- yes to public option; No it's been killed, yes for sure, not really, maybe......

A vague target is MUCH harder to hit - and I think he knows it.

As soon as he really states what he wants, the Cons have something to defeat, which is their ONLY concern here.

I hope he stays vague until the bill lands on his desk.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 12:17 AM
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34. Whatever. He sounded pretty positive about it yesterday
when he mentioned it in front of 20,000 wildly cheering Minnesotans.
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