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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:17 PM
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Syringes and Sidearms: Police Add Venipuncture To Arsenal of Drunk Driving Tools
BOISE, Idaho (AP) — When police officer Darryll Dowell is on patrol in the southwestern Idaho city of Nampa, he'll pull up at a stoplight and usually start casing the vehicle. Nowadays, his eyes will also focus on the driver's arms, as he tries to search for a plump, bouncy vein.

"I was looking at people's arms and hands, thinking, 'I could draw from that,'" Dowell said.

It's all part of training he and a select cadre of officers in Idaho and Texas have received in recent months to draw blood from those suspected of drunken or drugged driving. The federal program's aim is to determine if blood draws by cops can be an effective tool against drunk drivers and aid in their prosecution.

If the results seem promising after a year or two, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration will encourage police nationwide to undergo similar training.

For years, defense attorneys in Idaho advised clients to always refuse breath tests, Ada County Deputy Prosecutor Christine Starr said. When the state toughened the penalties for refusing the tests a few years ago, the problem lessened, but it's still the main reason that drunk driving cases go to trial in the Boise region, Starr said.

Idaho had a 20 percent breath test refusal rate in 2005, compared with 22 percent nationally, according to an NHTSA study.

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AP: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-us-police-dui-blood,0,6413821.story
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:24 PM
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1. I don't drink and drive, but my response to this is
"cold day in hell".

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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:36 PM
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5. +1
Taser me first.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:24 PM
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2. Fuck that noise! First tazers, and now some unwashed cop wants to DRAW BLOOD?!
I don't THINK so!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:24 PM
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3. The cops can't figure out tasers and now people want them drawing blood
Besides the invasion of privacy, this is a really bad idea.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:36 PM
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12. +1. Well said.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 08:31 PM
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4. The hood of a police car is NOT SANITARY!
I can hardly wait for the authority apologists to show up and tell us how wonderful this is.

:puke:
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:10 PM
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6. ID and TX might as well just be Nazi provinces
Good reason to avoid them.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:12 PM
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7. No fucking way to I consent to that shit
Nuh uh.

Cops are bad enough as it is. I'll fight that shit to the death.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:29 PM
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11. They would taser you first, then stick you with the needle. n/t
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 02:52 PM
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13. They already have done this.
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:13 PM
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8. I can hardly wait for the lawsuits
the first person who refuses the breathalizer - and the needle stick on the scene - and actually is not drunk - that's going to be a fun lawsuit.
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ezgoingrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:22 PM
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9. As a person who has drawn countless vials of blood and more than
Edited on Sun Sep-13-09 09:23 PM by ezgoingrl
a few for blood alcohol, as long as the officers follow standard drawing procedures, label their vials correctly and follow the procedures they're supposed to as far as collecting evidence is concerned, the hood of a patrol car or the inside of a van isn't any different than having an EMT start an iv or draw blood in the field. Also according to the article if the officers look for the easy stick, if they don't see it then they go to a medical professional.

That being said, I'm still not sure it's a good idea. That's pretty invasive and things can go wrong. People faint and puke when their blood is drawn, nerves can be damaged, and the officers themselves are opened up to accidental needle sticks.

I think it'll be interesting to see how this continues to play out.

edit to change and to an
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 09:25 PM
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10. Not sure why they don't just beat the shit out of people like they usually do.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 03:22 PM
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14. perhaps it's in preparation for the eventual decriminalization of pot.
:shrug:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 03:33 PM
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15. Unreasonable Search and Seizure... therefore, Unconstitutional.
Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 03:34 PM by berni_mccoy
They would need a warrant to take something from someone's body.
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