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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:26 AM
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You'd Trust Health Care to Private Industry?! Are you INSANE?!
Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 10:36 AM by berni_mccoy
That's how the discussion ought to be framed these days.

Republicans love to throw the "you can't trust big government" meme at you over and over again.

But who is there when Private Industry fails?

Who was there when Chrysler was at risk of going bankrupt in the 80's?
Who was there when Texaco when bankrupt in 1987?
Who was there when Financial Corp. Of America went bankrupt in 1988?
Who was there when Enron went bankrupt in 2001?
Who was there when Pacific Gas and Electric went bankrupt in 2001?
Who was there when the Airlines went bankrupt between 2002 and 2005?
Who was there for Worldcom, Conseco, Global Crossing, Refco, Washington Mutual, Lehman, AIG, GM, and again Chrysler?

Oh that's right, the Government was there to help. Helping the companies, not the people mind you.

Private Industry has been responsible for shipping jobs to 3rd world countries while our workers continue to be laid off only so the company can make low-quality products for higher profit margins to be sold at Walmart. Private Industry has betrayed America. And Republicans have helped them at every step of the way. Republicans have provided tax incentives for Big Oil to gouge Americans and given tax incentives to Big Corps to ship jobs overseas. Republicans have deregulated companies like Enron and all of Wall Street so they could pillage the savings of the citizens of this country. All the while they were telling Americans it was their responsibility to spend and go into credit card debt, they were allowing the credit card companies to go hog wild with interest rates and fine print and making it impossible to be safe for an individual in bankruptcy. There are some fat fucking rich people who have profited off the coffers of the workers pension plans.

Private industry has led to all the economic crises of our nation, from the Great Depression to the so-called "energy shortage" in the 70's, to the Housing Bubble, the Dot-Com bust, the Credit Crisis and, yes, the Health Care Crisis. We are now in a Health Care Crisis with tens of thousands of Americans dying for lack of Health Care because they can not afford it. Many of these people have insurance that they pay for, but the insurance won't cover their much needed care. And all for the sake of corporate profit.

Private Industry is a cesspool of greed and corruption. Do you really want to trust your health care to monsters who have bankrupted America and stuck the taxpayers with the bill?

This is why we need a Public Option. We can no longer continue to trust private industry with the health of the people of this country. Private industry has lost all confidence of the American people.

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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:31 AM
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1. Right on!!
I am bookmarking this post for future reference!!

How can anyone be against taking Health Care away from these greedy corporations? It absolutely blows my mind!!
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:44 AM
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2. I Say That All The Time
And it falls on deaf ears. The people who want private industry just plain don't trust Government. It has nothing to do with logic and common sense. However, I continue on with my journey to try to make people think. I'm glad I'm not alone. I didn' have all the failures you mentioned, but will definitely add them to my list. Thank you.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 11:12 AM
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3. As do I. But we must keep saying it.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 11:15 AM
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4. K & R.
In the past 10 years, they haven't been exactly accommodating on the hiring end either.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 11:35 AM
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5. Great post!
The post office works fine.

Some years ago, my postman decided to stop delivering on Tuesdays. It wasn't the post office's fault. Our postman had just decided that his route was too long (we live in a hilly area) and made one of those bottom-up decisions.

We wrote our congressman, and he took care of our mail delivery. We have regular mail delivery every day of the week except Sunday and holidays now. Better yet, the post office offers great prices every day. It doesn't cost much to mail a letter. Low cost and reliable -- the post office -- been that way since I was a child -- still is.

The Social Security office also works well. When you reach retirement age, you call the local Social Security office, set an appointment, arrive on time to the Social Security office and meet with one of the best informed, most courteous people you will ever meet. And then, wonder of wonders, your check is deposited in your account regularly, on time, with no problems. You can count on them. Again, low administrative costs and reliable.

Not so with the private sector. Of course, the private sector is more creative than the public sector. For one thing, they are very creative and completely unreliable with regard to their employees. If you are the employee, private employers more often offer lousy insurance and retirement plans. They have created all kinds of ways to promise the moon and give Swiss cheese.

That's why, in an area like health care insurance, we need a public option. We shouldn't leave it up to private business to handle it for us. Who wants creative health insurance? Not me. I want low cost and reliability. That's what the government can provide. Call our congresspeople and ask them to support public health care insurance. Do it today. That's what's so great about the government. You own them. You don't own your insurance company.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 11:41 AM
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6. Be careful. Read the fine print.

"Medicare is administered by public employees; the “options” in both bills will be administered by private-sector corporations, some or all of which will be insurance companies. The “option” in neither bill resembles Medicare."

http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/09/13/sullivan-publicoptionin3200unlikemedicare/


The +60% of Americans who support a real "Public Option" are going to be disappointed when they open their new Health Care Package.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 12:47 PM
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7. That's not accurate. HR3200 and the SHELP committee bill both have public options in them
"Real" public options as you call them.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 01:22 PM
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8. Did you miss this part:
"the “options” in both bills will be administered by private-sector corporations, some or all of which will be insurance companies."

This IS absolutely TRUE.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 01:41 PM
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9. The options in the Exchange will be private plans ALONG SIDE a public insurance option
That's why it's called the public option.

You may want to read THIS ABSOLUTELY TRUE Fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_option

A public health insurance option (public insurance option or public option for short) is a proposed health insurance plan offered by the federal government that is present in America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (H.R. 3200) as a Qualified Health Benefit Plan.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 03:31 PM
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11. Wikipedia?
Right.



Please read what educated professionals who have studied these bills have to say:

The bills do not describe the criteria that corporations have to meet to get contracts from the Secretary; instead they refer the reader to criteria laid out in Section 1874A of the Social Security Act. That section spells out criteria corporations have to meet to win contracts to administer the current Medicare program. Under Section 1874A, corporations that win contracts to administer the Medicare program are called “Medicare Administrative Contractors” (MACs). (The task MACs carry out for Medicare is limited in its scope: It is to process claims filed by providers who treat Medicare patients.) Even though the authors of the HELP bill and HR 3200 want the Secretary to use MAC-like criteria in deciding which corporations to contract with to create the “option” program, they chose not to use the “MAC” label for the corporations that will create the “option.” The HELP bill calls them “contracting administrators.” HR 3200 gives these entities no name at all. For lack of a more convenient term, I will refer to the MAC-like corporations in the HR 3200 as “contracting administrators.”

As the preceding rather convoluted description of MACs and contracting administrators suggests, neither the HELP bill nor HR 3200 makes it easy for readers to grasp that corporations, not public employees, will create, and probably run, the “option” program. Neither bill comes right out and says, “The Secretary shall hire private-sector corporations to create and run as many health insurance companies as is necessary to make health insurance available for sale to the non-elderly in each health insurance market in America.” Nor is that fact being ballyhooed by the bills’ authors and proponents. But it’s an important feature for “option” supporters to understand because it undermines the claim “option” advocates make over and over that the “option” will look like Medicare."

much more:
http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/09/13/sullivan-publicoptionin3200unlikemedicare/
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 03:44 PM
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12. Wiki is far more accurate and far less bias than the OpEd from the source you are quoting. That said
I don't disagree. The PO of HR3200 is not supposed to be like Medicare. Everyone can partake in it and it's designed to provide better coverage to more people than Medicare currently does. No Insurance company wants to provide coverage for the elderly. They want to provide coverage to the healthy. And when their customers get sick, they drop them. The PO will put an end to all of that, plus stop lifetime caps and pre-existing conditions.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 04:15 PM
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13. Where are you getting your information?
"Everyone can partake in it and it's designed to provide better coverage to more people than Medicare currently does..."
Totally FALSE.

Even Obama himself has said that the Public Option (in HR 3200) will be available only to those who currently do NOT have Health Insurance.
The CBO which scored HR 3200 projected that LESS than 10 million will be enrolled in The Public Option by 2019.
Obama confirmed this number in his speech.
The Public Option in these bills is indeed a "tiny sliver" (Obama).

Look, I SUPPORT passing this bill, because it is as good as we are going to be allowed to get.
But I also support KNOWING what is in these bills.

BOTH of these bills are $Trillion Dollar gifts to the For Profit Health Insurance Industry.
THAT is indisputable.
What we are being allowed to argue about is the crumbs.
That being said, we MUST fight for The Crumbs or we will get nothing,
but KNOW going in that it IS crumbs we are fighting for, and that THIS fight is just beginning.



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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 02:04 PM
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10. I always wonder about those people at the town halls yelling ...
... "I don't want government in charge of my health care!" and other such things. I guess they are all completely OK with private, for-profit insurance companies being in control? Companies where well paid execs get bonuses for finding obscure loopholes that allow them to deny your claims?

It makes no sense to me.

Of course, I'm Canadian, so my perspective has been warped by a lifetime of recieving, and seeing friends and family recieve, quality health care on demand without having to worry about bankruptcy.
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