Obama blasts Dems in Congress for wanting to censure Joe "You Lie!" Wilson

Obama blasts Dems in Congress for wanting to censure Joe "You Lie!" Wilson
by John Aravosis (DC) on 9/14/2009 12:30:00 PM

Politico:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27113.html

Even as Democrats on Capitol Hill call for a rebuke of Rep. Joe Wilson for his outburst last week at the president’s address, Barack Obama downplayed the need for a further censure of the South Carolina Republican, saying the whole thing is becoming a “big circus.”

***** “See, this is part of what happens,” Obama said, when asked about Wilson by interviewer Steve Kroft on Sunday’s “60 Minutes.” “I mean, it just becomes a big circus instead of us focusing on health care.”

***** Some Democrats, led by Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.), are pushing for an official censure of Wilson, with a floor vote on the resolution coming as early as Tuesday.

more:
http://www.americablog.com/2009/09/obama-blasts-dems-in-congress-for.html

Wilson disrespected his fellow Congress people as much as he did Obama, and I believe he owes them an apology, as well.

Not just Congress but the entire population of America. We should expect much more from our elected Representatives, in fact we should DEMAND much more from them..Being disrespectful should be beneath any congress person.. It certainly should not be welcomed or rewarded as in this case.

Obama is just too damn "nice." If he wants to be forgiving, that's his business, but in this case, I don't think he speaks for everyone.

When I used to work for corrections back in the day, one of the things my inmate friends taught me is that "kindness equals weakness." I didn't want to believe it at the time, but they were proved right on more than one occasion. Sometimes you just have to put your foot down and make people accountable for their bad acts. Wilson definitely crossed a line.

I think he should be censured because the rules call for it, and no one should be above the law.

He was the one disrespected.

He was addressing them.

He is the Democratic leader.

He is the leader of all Americans, whom congress represents.

Not to mention the entire world looks to him for inspiration and guidance.


If Obama makes this call, then they should shut the fuck up and listen.


Could you ever imagine Bush having such grace and calmness? I certainly cannot.

Congress has to clean its own house.

But Obama is brilliant to stay "above the fray."

the Republican tune already and be an adult.

"blast Dems"..I heard him last night and he was not "blasting Dems".

John Aravosis IS shitting on PO again.

And, you're right ..this is now the House's problem.

Joe Wilson.

I hope neither The President nor Rahm-Bo complains when every one of his future addresses is INTERRUPTED by some lame back bench Republican representative attempting to make a name for himself. :(

don't they have more important things to do like health reform etc

Personally I think that Joe Wilson should be brought up on disorderly conduct charged, jailed for about 30 days, and stripped of his seat, but I respect Obama's judgment on this.

different branches of the government, one not above the other, neither more powerful...he can suggest, but he can't tell them what to do.

notwithstanding the separation of powers.

Its hardly a coincidence that Obama is pushing for healthcare reform at the same time that Congress is working on healthcare reform.

Obama is well within in his rights to direct congress in any way he sees fit.

:rofl: :rofl:
I guess that's better than a powder puff pit bull

:rofl:

:spray:

and not worrying about Joe Wilson.

happen? Yes, some back bench GOP congress critter will heckle him. :thumbsdown:

why do "news" outlets like to use such over the top terminology as "blasts", "slams", "hits" etc.?

Obama said it was turning into a circus. If he wanted to blast the dems in congress it would have come out more like. "These idiots in charge of congress are...."

We all know how he loses his temper all the time.

:sarcasm:

:shrug:

Obama doesn't blast.

that's why.

I read the OP's caption and I thought PO said something today, but, NOOOOOO, it was from the interview last night that I heard and he did not even come close to blasting Dems.

Maybe John Aravosis doesn't know what the fuck a Blast is?

Obama and/or his WH slaps them down ~ FUCK THEM.

They have no problem censuring Democrats.

when will they take a stand on things that really effect people?

Makes him look above it all. He will not stop the House from doing it's job though, which is to censure Joe Wilson. Or whatever method they see fit to punish him with.

...and just do his own job. imo he's got no business slapping down his supporters ~ you sure don't see that on the other side.

...be used against him by the other side, but he doesn't have to betray his supporters either ~ he can simply say that Congress has its job, and he has his.

I don't want Congress wasting its majority to make a martyr out of Wilson.

That would have been taken as a "Yes! Censure him!" and it would have been the headline for the next week. As it stands, the only one who looks ridiculous is Wilson. I would like it to stay that way.

...in front of Congress turning into a disrespectful shout-fest.

(I said, "Congress has its job" not "Let Congress do whatever it wants." Big difference.)

They did not win themselves any fans with that little stunt or their theatrics on Wednesday. The only people who enjoyed watching them were the birther/deather/bircher/becker nutbags.

If we hadn't pardoned Nixon, we might not have had Cheney ~ you can't just think about today; there are long-term consequences when you look the other way.

Keep the focus on healthcare.. you are acting as if censuring him will actually be a deterrent to future behavior... why would it? it carries no official weight with it, and if his constituents don't care it doesnt matter, it will just help him get re-elected. Obama just wants to keep the focus on healthcare, otherwise it will just get lost in the noise, congress wont get a bill... and you will have the status quo

...not holding the other side responsible for their crap.

What do you define 'holding them responsible'.. censure?? its a joke, and its of no penalty to them and they know it. They are daring us to do it to deflect attention... "don't throw us in the briar patch" he is playing to his base.. what they cant tolerate is lack of a rallying cry, and with healthcare they are running out of points to rally around, they have lost 'death squads, single payer threat (for now) ,etc'.. let this die and get back on message.

now when congress does their damn job and censures this stain watch the librul media spin this as "Congress-Obama at odds."

Kroft: <snip> You were heckled. Not at a town meeting, not on the campaign trail, but in a joint session of Congress.

President: (laughs) Actually, my town meetings, people were extraordinarily courteous. Yeah.

Kroft: Were you surprised?

President: Well, Congressman Wilson shouting out during my joint session speech was a surprise not just to me, but I think to a lot of his Republican colleagues who said that it wasn't appropriate. He apologized afterward, which I appreciated - I've said so.

The truth of the matter is that there has been a 'coarsening' of our political dialogue that I've been running against since I got into politics.

Kroft: Do you think that Congressman Wilson should be rebuked? There was talk of that today, now he's claiming that he's a victim - that he's being attacked.

President: (laughs) See, this is part of what happens. It becomes a big circus. Instead of us focusing on Healthcare!

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I did not get the impression that he was laughing off the rebuke. I think he laughed at Wilson's claim of victimization and Politico spun it as negatively as they could.

what Obama said.

I was just about to post the same thing. He feels very comfortable blasting the progressives yet rarely says anything about the Repubs despicable lies and acts. F*** it.

Can you explain why DK isn't the same as a DLC'er?

lying bandwagon. Obama did not blast the Dems..I saw that interview last night and it was not even close.

FUCK John Aravosis.

I hate politicans sometimes, thank you President Obama for pointing out how sad Congress really is.

They'll still blame Obama, of course, but it's a good try nevertheless.

It's horrible the way he or Rahm slaps down Dems who take on the other side.

Wilson apologized to President Obama, or someone at the White House, and President Obama accepted it.

This is a matter of internal discipline, best left to Congress, to deal with one of their number who flouted House rules.

They dream that being overly solicitous of republicans will make them be ashamed of themselves and that they will start doing what is right for the country.

It's time to stop dreaming about that fantasy. Show me one example of republicans responding well to overtures of niceness and civility.

They must be so isolated that they haven't figured it out yet. That or just thick.

:mad:

Oh, wait, it's the chess. :eyes:

I think a resolution is in order to prevent this sort of thing from happening again. If you give some people an inch, they'll take a mile. Next thing you know, they'll feel the need to take a swipe or throw objects at the president.

"in order to prevent this sort of thing from happening again" - but Obama doesn't like to do that sort of thing. Let the Repubs get away with whatever the hell they want.

Wouldn't that fit with his claimed faith?


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censuring wilson..and he didn't "blast the Dems" last night. check out the video.

John Aravosis is a big fat Fucking Liar.

Politico's headline "Obama blasts health care 'big circus'" is inflammatory enough, but close enough to the truth. And then Aravosis quotes Politico, but changes their headline to "Obama blasts Dems in Congress for wanting to censure Joe "You Lie!" Wilson".

Actually it is not funny, it's ridiculous and wrong.

Incidentally, I think Obama is right, the Wilson thing has become a "big circus" (surprise! surprise!), and appalling as that a..hole is, I am not sure I am happy that he is given even more notoriety.

When he was insulted he liked to not fight back and say 'lets focus on the issues instead'.

Ah, president Dukakis. I miss him.

Yeah, you, Fucker..John Aravosis.

check to see if John Fucking Aravosis was lying again.

Just couldn't wait to start whining about PO.

Wilson has gotten too much attention already, and this is just a distraction from the substantive debate over health care reform.

Which was probably his intention in making the remark in the first place.

Also, any punitive action against him would only make him even more of a martyr for the teabaggers.

He did not blast Democrats/
Fuck that Rethug hack site Politico.

"Obama blasts Dems in Congress for wanting to censure Joe "You Lie!" Wilson"
by John Aravosis (DC) on 9/14/2009 12:30:00 PM

The House has the right and duty to discipline its members to maintain a certain level of decorum necessary to conducting the peoples' business. But at the same time President Obama is correct in seeing that Wilson's outburst is a minor incident in the grand scheme of things.

“See, this is part of what happens,” Obama said, when asked about Wilson by interviewer Steve Kroft on Sunday’s “60 Minutes.” “I mean, it just becomes a big circus instead of us focusing on health care.”


The quote could be in reference to the media, in fact that is a more likely scenario, imo. Politico is rabid right wing trash, Talon News with a modicum of polish.

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headline. And, I saw the interview on 60 Minutes last night and he was not "blasting Dems" but john aravosis needed a lie to sensationalize his blog for all his toadies to eat up.

"Obama blasts Dems in Congress for wanting to censure Joe "You Lie!" Wilson"
by John Aravosis (DC) on 9/14/2009 12:30:00 PM

Aravosis seems to have a visceral dislike of President Obama and has a need to find fault where, in reality, none exists. As to Politico, their headline is equally hyperbolic, imo. "Obama blasts health care 'big circus'". I used to read Aravosis quite often but no longer as his vitriol is ever increasing, sadly.

look for the lie.

President. Since he now, at the very least, goes hyperbolic as well as intentionally post disinformation, I have lost a great deal of respect for him.

for lying that Pres "Obama blasts Dems".

I saw the interview and he did no such thing.

This is the video clip..I hope it doesn't disappoint your need to rage on the Pres, too much.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x371065

john aravosis=Fucking LIAR

and NOT about the important issue, i.e. Health Insurance Reform.

And he's right.

for disorderly conduct and such disrespect.

However I think we should also respect the Presidents judgment on this.

Coming soon:

"President Obama threatens to beat Jim Clyburn with the heel of his shoe for disrespecting the GOP"

Kumbaya.

So, now the pretense of the need for civility has totally disappeared only to be replaced by the new mantra "Forgive and Forget".

CENSURE THE BASTARD!!

First, all this censuring is just going to make Wilson's appeal level to the fundies even greater and keep Wilson's name in the news (along with what he hsa done) longer than what it needs to be done.

You want to 'censure' Joe Wilson? Then get behind his opponent in a race that is in a competitive district. The democratic opponent, Rob Miller, has raised now $700k which will make him very very competitive against Wilson. But if we continue this "Make Joe Wilson Pay" then that will keep him in the news and help raise more money for Wilson's campaign.

A censure for these guys would be a badge of honor. It would not have any effect on his career, and it would erase any goodwill we had built up because of this incident.

Don't we have healthcare to deal with first?

Just ignore the little brat and let the adults get back to the real work that's to be done. He's not sorry, you can demand an apology, make him "apologize to the American people" but that's worth about as much as a dried up dog turn under a tree. He'll still be a racist prick at the end of the day that appeals to other racist pricks. Really I haven't read one comment saying they accepted his earlier apology so why force another one? It's stupid.

He was the moment he opened his fucking inbreed mouth and called the President a liar.

All the same there are House rules and their needs to be some consequence.

http://www.rules.house.gov/POP/house_comm_dec.htm

Under section 370 of the House Rules and Manual it has been held that a Member could:

* refer to the government as “something hated, something oppressive.”
* refer to the President as “using legislative or judicial pork.”
* refer to a Presidential message as a “disgrace to the country.”
* refer to unnamed officials as “our half-baked nitwits handling foreign affairs.”

Likewise, it has been held that a member could not:

* call the President a “liar.”
* call the President a “hypocrite.”
* describe the President’s veto of a bill as “cowardly.”
* charge that the President has been “intellectually dishonest.”
* refer to the President as “giving aid and comfort to the enemy.”
* refer to alleged “sexual misconduct on the President’s part.”

the rules again? Who cares what the Palin-right thinks. They are unreachable anyway.

I'm not to sure about that.

that strategy worked out so well for the dems. they should just ignore it, just like bill clinton ignored bcci/iran-contra. everything will turn out alright.

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really?! congress is so inept that healthcare reform is going to suffer because of this? really?!!

this guy is ALREADY a hero to the GOP. let this shit slide like the dems always do, and it will come back to bite them. take that to the bank. the dems are already perceived as being weak by everyone except their most staunch enablers. if they don't follow through on censuring this tool, then that only serves to validate that perception.

These people have the attention span of a gnat with ADHD - let's focus on getting the real work done and save this outrage with helping get Rob Miller elected and Joe Wilson ousted. THAT is the ultimate revenge

I don't give a damn what gets held up in the process. That asshole has lowered the bar for all dialogue in America. I won't be surprised if more people act the fool in future townhalls either.

This is why, if he doesn't learn his lesson soon, his administration will be a failure.

I agree the Dems need to censure wilson since he won't apologize to the HOuse and wants to be a martyr to the stupid.

Wilson did this shit for attention and to raise more money. Now he gets another week on the Sunday shows and gets to brag to the tea-baggers about how he considers a censure by Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats a badge of honor. And from what it looks like, the guy's district is too red to unseat him.

The best way to defeat Wilson and to discourage these people is to get health care passed. The best way to do that is to stay on message.

enough with the sanctimonious bullshit acting.

Sideshow Joe is loving all this attention.

I'd like to see Wilson censured and quickly. He should not have done what he did. I also want to see work going forward on the health care bill, figuring people can and do multi-task.

"Blast"? No. I agree with calling it "downplaying the need" but see no "blast" there.

"Obama blasts Dems in Congress for wanting to censure Joe "You Lie!" Wilson"
by John Aravosis (DC) on 9/14/2009 12:30:00 PM

I saw the interview ..there was NO Blast but that wouldn't give aravosis a lying red meat headline. would it?

Disgusting.

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on this thread and saw all this outrage bc of another lie by john aravosis..I was furious!

But, I vented and got it out and now I'm calm but that doesn't change aravosis' lying.

There was a thread yesterday in GDP on aravosis' making shit up..I can't find it now but when I saw his name in this OP..I started checking to see if PO had said anything today to the Dems because I knew he didn't "Blast the Dems" last night..and sure enough.. a headline to make his followers soak up some more hate on Obama. Congratulations mofo.

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He will raise more money and he will get another week on the Sunday shows all because we think it's so important to formally slap him on the wrist. The best way to beat these assholes is to get health care passed, end of story.

:rofl:

The clowns have long since taken over the trapeze and the elephant is on a rampage.

Nice to Wall Street.

Nice to the military industrial complex.

Nice to the private insurance companies.

Nice to the Republican party.

Basically, he's nice to everyone who isn't from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, the working class, or the poor.

Sad to say, I'm not so nice. Go to hell, Mr. Hope n' Change!