BIGOTRY 101: What I learned today from my daughter-in-law today

I watched my grandson today. Today, and in the days before he arrived, I had viewed the images from the 9/12 march, read a few blog entries about the event, and watched some of the videos. While I found them disturbing, I know now that I had no idea of their impact.

I have frequently referred to the Confederate flag as the South's Swastika. I've felt this way forever. But, I never realized how accurate a description it was until my DIL picked up my grandson today. While discussing the news and events of 9/12, her words were in effect 'every time I see a Confederate flag I feel fear'. And, as she said it I truly felt her fear.

I froze, I had no words. While I knew the symbol was evil, I never before, personally, felt the malevolent impact it had upon so many.

My beloved DIL, the mother of my wonderful, innocent grandson, has been filled with fear because some ass hat thinks waving the South's version of a Swastika in her face is OK?

No one, in there right mind, would support the waving of Hitler's Swastika in the face of Jews, here or elsewhere. But, the equally disgusting/hateful US equivalent is ok?

Can anyone tell me why?

I think. Remember Dean's to-do on the subject?

"Its not seen as violent or threatening to many whites in/from the South".

and I am offended when I see it.

It marks places where there are shit-for-brains to be avoided.

they scare me.

in both my post and the OP: "...many blacks in/from the South." Not all. I know the South gets a lot of regional bashing on DU, this isn't what was going on here. Don't be so touchy.

FWIW, I grew up in Massachusetts, but my region of the state was the New England KKK HQ up until the 1930s, and even then it really just went underground. All while I grew up rednecks in my area proudly displayed the confederate flag on trucks, in widows, on shirts... everywhere I saw it when I lived in Mississippi after Katrina. The day after the election, the only black church in the country that was burned was one in my hometown. :puke:

I am DEEPLY offended when I see it.

I was born and raised in the rural south. That symbol was not a part of my upbringing.

I feel contempt for those who display it. Thankfully, I really don't see it that often.

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The children of the CSA have twisted our history a little bit. When I read/heard about the Civil War as a kid, it always told about what a great man Robert E. Lee was and people like Stonewall Jackson were brave and capable soldiers. Not supporters or practioners of slavery, just fighting for their beloved home states. (and also southerners like The Swamp Fox and Lighthorse Harry Lee)

Then there were the Duke boys. Not racists, even though Hazzard county was seemingly all white, but just fun-loving rebels with a Confederate Flag painted on their car named the General Lee.

So the symbol was part of my upbringing, and generally shown to be innocent and/or noble, and it is only later that I have learned to see it differently.

Although it is offensive to this white guy.


Peace,
Max

I'm a white northerner, and have always seen it as an afront to civility.

for many African Americans the resurgent proud waving/defense of the Confederate flag has the same effect on them as the same activity would have if it were the Swastika with Jews.

It invokes fear/remembrances of times where they were subjected to sub-human treatment including death, humiliation, separation, trading people like chattel, etc.). And, rightly, IMO, so. It is a symbol of support for states who saw certain people as property/chattel and treated them as such. Beatings, separating families, lynchings, etc. It was wrong then and the in your face display of their form of the 'Swastika' (aka Confederate Flag) is reprehensible.

aggressive white male behind the wheel absolutely and clearly making his statement.

it is not subtle. it is not innocent like they proclaim

windshield.

also really fat ugly fucks that can get any.

just amazes me, but this is my world...

stay classy, rednecks.

:mad:

worn by some uber-redneck at the beach.

it is not unlike the Blood Flag of the Nazis.

I know why he said it, but he was a yank anyway.

"At that event, Dean received a rousing ovation from the crowd when he said, "White folks in the South who drive pickup trucks with Confederate flag decals on the back ought to be voting with us, and not , because their kids don't have health insurance either, and their kids need better schools too."

He didn't really say anything outrageous, but he
could have left out the "flag decal" part and we
still would have known he was talking about the
southern working class.

and hate.

...I know others who feel the same way. We might be outnumbered, but we're here.

They just don't care.

If you're going to pick a symbol to represent your beliefs, wouldn't it make more sense to display one that can't be misinterpreted? If they were truly interested in promoting states rights or whatever, they'd find another way to do it - but they want the controversy. Why?

Antebellum.

basically because it IS the base of the Republican Party and of the conservative movement. Notice how Repubs LOVE to talk about how people hate America but say NOTHING about those who fly the flag of people who committed treason against the US?

Imagine if the South, in polar opposition to how it really is, was super liberal and started the civil war to prevent a conservative North from quashing its ability to recognize gay marriage, end the death penalty and set up universal health care. Do you think that Fox News and the Repub party would not be screaming their heads off about those "traitorous confederate flag waving pinkos!"?

Quite a history we've got!

and slavery?

so the south were "democrats".

Really goes to show that a
rose by any other name....

before nixon and his southern strategy.There were no senators from the deep south in the republican party.

before the Dems took a courageous stand on civil rights and then lost the south for good.

It's the reason why Pat Buchannan's family came to America- to join The South and fight against America.

after the Phillies games in early july.

How about some "Battle Hymn of the Republic" for the people whose ancestors fought FOR America and not AGAINST America?

Go ahead and play "Dixie" everywhere and anywhere you want, but not at 4th of July fireworks in Philadelphia. It's wrong on two counts - this isn't the South, and the day is not for glorifying the traitors.

Confederate flag a wide berth. That is a signal to me that they don't like "my kind" and that they would not hesitate to hurt me. They know what the flag represents and they make a point to display it in order to intimidate.

I've been called all sorts of nasty names and I realize that the supremacist types hate me more than they do you.

Traitor to my race and all of that nasty crap.

It is a symbol of people who have decided that some "other" people aren't as worthy of, well, anything as much as they are.

The big irony is that half the time these 'losers' fly their own flag upside down...

Yippie-I-oh....

a Jew himself and a child of the holocaust, defended the right of Nazis to march through Skokie Illinois. It comes down to free speech, and first amendment.

But you have it right. That flag is a symbol of race, among many other things. But the correct response is not quite fear... I like to use ridicule... of course do that at your own peril, but ridicule and pointing and making funny faces works very well...

:-)

Especially if done with fellow make fun of the idiots brigade.

That makes them even angrier, I admit.

It wasn't always that way. When I was growing up here in south MS, Confederate flags were commonplace. I'd see them flying at people's houses, at historical sites, and for sale in stores (to sell to tourists as well as locals). They aren't as common down here anymore. Awareness has been heightened over how the flag makes black citizens feel. And then there's fears of boycotts against the state. But you still see them now and then as stickers on cars or flag t-shirts. And they're still for sale in a few places. We even have the Confederate flag emblazoned on our state flag. But for some reason now, it gives me chills and I can't put my finger on why that is. I think that's a good thing.

People who claim it is about heritage are badly mistaken. It is about a set of values that belong in the deep past - obnoxious, bigoted values.

If they proudly display the Confederate flag, they're racists.

Of course, there are also lots of swastika flags and cars up on blocks in the front yards in San Bernardino County, California, too.

I don't think that's really a coincidence.

nt

It's not just about race, it's not just about treason, and it's not just about hate.

It is about rebellion. Violent, blind, hate-filled rebellion against anything you've got. I grew up in a town where every highschool male with a truck sported as big a "rebel flag" as he could find. Some flew it on a fucking flagpole tilting out the bed of their truck. They drove those trucks to the rock quarry, and the trailer dives, where they smoked weed, drank while underage, and engaged in unsafe sexual behaviors, not because it felt good to do so, but because their elders didn't want them to.

It means "fuck you." Fuck government, fuck parents, and fuck anybody whose got a problem with anything I do.

To put it another way, I channel my best Eric Cartman and say "What-eva, I do whaddiwant!"

Edit: spelling

Yeah, that fits.

But there is some deep racism out there as well.

I don't like it, but I'll fight for their right to be idiots and wave it.

I might want to wave a flag that offends them one day.

At least, when flown by anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Remember the arguments about Dean, and about Southern States/cities etc. displaying it, that its a 'cultural' thing or somesuch?

but then, as long as I've been lurking here I've also avoided a lot of North v. South threads. Living in MO I tend to hopscotch a bit across that divide, so I used to feel a little spastic when I read those. Also (confession time), I was (and pretty much still am) a Deanie, so that would have made it much more likely for me to skip that discussion.

The rebel flag is one of those symbols that means different things to different people. To many it is, as darkstar so succinctly put it, a big fuck you to any and all authority figures. The fact that so many are offended by the flag guaranties these people will continue to fly it. IMO many of the young white males flying the flag on their pick-up truck fall into this category.

Unfortunately there is no way to discern the simply rebellious from the full fledged bigoted racist. Those that give those brandishing the "Stars and Bars" a wide berth are definitely taking their best interests to heart.

fly the flag that represents racism in its ugliest and purest form.

I see no reason to take too much trouble to sort out which set of losers is flying this treasonous flag.

Assuming that there are different reasons for flying that flag, a claim that I can't say I'm convinced of.

Save all that time and just stereotype everyone who displays a symbol based on what it means to you. Do you assume that everyone with a rainbow flag talks with a lisp and uses excessive hand gestures while at the same time dressing in a "fabulous" way?

No? Wait.. you mean that the stereotype only applies when its something you deem negative? Wow. I guess the whole thing just falls apart.

Now what?

As a side note I've edited your original post to reflect the idea

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I say lump them all as flamers. If they don't like being called out as one they shouldn't
fly the flag that represents gay in its ugliest and purest form.

I see no reason to take too much trouble to sort out which set of losers is flying this swishy flag.

Assuming that there are different reasons for flying that flag, a claim that I can't say I'm convinced of.

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All that matters is your perception right? It doesn't matter that it is patently offensive and bigoted.

I would assume that someone waving a rainbow flag supported that for which it stands -- equal rights for LGBT persons. I would also assume that a person flying a confederate flag supported that for which IT stands -- people who loved their racist society, including slavery, so much they were willing to attack their own country to preserve it.

Flying a flag is a choice that says something about the person flying it.

That's what it means to you but what about someone else?

Is the only difference that you are "right?"

originally FLEW the confederate flag and WHAT they stood for?

That is another meaning that isn't completely full of shit which excludes the ridiculous "heritage" argument.

Really, you are just adorable.

Why ask the question when you already know the answer?

have NO HISTORY of "rallying around a flag" and doing unspeakable violence to ANYONE.

Being a Bigot certainly should be though. Or just being an asshole. When someone deliberatly chooses to do something to hurt or distress others it is shameful.

what you are projecting to all.

just as if i put a obama sticker on my car here in the very red panhandle of texas, i KNOW what i am doing. though i am not so dishonest as to suggest it is anything but what it is.

Am I supposed to feel guilty about that?

People who fly that flag are fucking racist halfwits who are fucking dangerous to my ass. I don't have to parse shit in such a situation. I'll lump every fucking one of them and keep far the fuck away from them. I am under NO obligation to try to "engage" them.

Bullshit rebellion mixed with a heaping helping of white privilege. The worst case scenario, and one that I think is much more likely for the teabaggers, is that they know exactly the racial connotations of what they're doing.

Seeing fellow Upper-Midwesterner displaying the symbol of racism and Southern treason just ticks me off.

fly the rainbow flag.

Especially in parts of KY, TN, and GA, and just see what happens...

Not all southern whites are racist. Not all southern men are raging homophobes. But a ragingly homophobic racist southern ass of a male will be the most likely to tire-iron your ass while flying that flag.

Snark is good, but don't send them into blind rage unless you're quite certain of your safety in surroundings, or your ability to defend yourself.

have them text/email me I'll send them my phone. I have psychological services ready to help them.

You can't take away a tradition of hate and racism away can you? Then how would these "people" kindly let us know that they are scum? Probably some n-word signs.

I hate the Confederate flag and anyone who considers it a tradition or worthy to be on a flagpole in this country. It is the American Nazi flag but bigots like Wallace can douche their way into keeping it near the American flag. As a young white male who Barack Obama transformed into a liberal, this flag disgusts me. No one in my family was harmed by the tools who sent thousands of men to their death in the 1860s defending it and slavery (both go together), but it is the most offensive flag I can see somewhat commonly. I lose all respect for people who try to defend it. All Confederate flags should be burned.

I want to live in Tennessee. I don't consider the South a bastion of racism. However, the racism in the South is more overt. But, I have witnessed the same in the North .. but, it is more covert. Such as a human resources person telling me I had "hired enough blacks for now". I didn't hire them because they were black, white, green or purple --- I hired them because they were good at what we needed. So, for all those Northerners who think they are 'oh, so much morally superior/enlightened than the South' .. guess what? In my and many other professionals experience, you are just better at hiding your bigotry.

Hate map for that

Racism is widespread

and NOT limited to the south

I grew up in the South, and to a lot of kids that was just part of our regional background -- more like supporting the local team than anything else I can think of. Seriously. I spent years in a school with only two black kids. The white kids were all middle-class. We didn't spend our time on any heavy issues, we just sort of imitated our parents and peers and slowly, amorphously, oozed our way into adulthood. It took many years of seeing the larger world, and more maturation than many kids are ever compelled to embrace, for me to realize that our "symbol of regional pride" was a symbol of hate and fear for so many. And honestly, I don't think that *most* kids who waved the Confederate flag at football games (easy to justify when the team is called "The Rebels" -- *who* picked that name?) meant it as any kind of provocation even when they knew that even some of their peers did. If you never leave the area, and never expose yourself to other points of view, it's easy to fail to see the issue. And after enough years of emotionally accepting the Rebel flag, people get defensive when they see it "attacked". I'm not sure what will change that, and it's not changing by itself fast enough. I can only wish that some brave, mature Southern leader (maybe social, not political) would have the nerve to formally denounce and reject the Confederacy, and stage a formal interrment ceremony for an authentic, historical flag actually carried by Confederate forces. RIP for good. (While I'm fantasizing, I'll hope the Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy would endorse the interrment. May as well wish big.)

Southerners want to cherish the fighting spirit and bravery of their ancestors, but that should not preclude an acknowledgment that they were in the wrong. Most can't handle that, or consider it a contradiction. It's not. It's the same message of "hate the sin, love the sinner" they've all heard from their local pulpits. Taking up arms against the lawfully elected government of the nation was the worst mistake that Americans -- as Americans -- have ever made. That's a tough thing to acknowledge, but until (we) Southerners accept that moral task, we will, however indeliberately, continue to feed the resentment and the hatred born from the defeat of a mistaken cause.

and proudly by carrying or wearing such a flag, as would also be your right, if you wished, that declared "I am a dumbass hater for whom shit-for-brains-would be an upgrade." In fact, I would prefer if if they all did that.

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and their thinking, which has little point to your post.

it is about the ignorant
hatefilled
bigots
angry

in our nation.

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It represents hatred for all non-whites and non-christians.

it is their sign. Whenever I see a person displaying the confederate flag I think it is fair warning to the world that the person displaying it is a total idiot and possibly dangerous.

this person is kind enough to inform the world that he is stupid (i type he cause i have yet to see female display, though possible), a bigot and is giving the figner to everyone.

message received

I'm more concerned with the motivations of some people who display it. People display it for various reasons and some of them are hateful. I really have no fear of any teabagger.

...for long enough to break its usefulness as a symbol of national pride, and the swastika was never very popular in America.

And he had this half South Carolina (the palm tree) and half Confederate flag in his back yard. It was disturbing (I did find out from my mom that he was born in SC, but only lived there until he was 2). My cousin (his son-in-law) requested me as a friend on facebook, but his "pic" was of the Confederate flag, so I didn't approve him.

I've never heard a racist comment from either of them, and I don't talk politics around my family. I did have an Obama bumper sticker on my car when I drove up and it had been there the couple of times previously I had seen him, so I doubt he would have said anything around me in the first place. While I've never heard anything racist coming from his mouth, and the Civil War has never come up, just the fact that the flag was there made me lose any respect I had for him and honestly it was disgusting.

It represents the South, and everybody in it, black, white, or whatever. I have it in my kitchen, and I am the most liberal progressive person you are ever gonna meet. I just love the South. It's a beautiful place to live and most of the people are the nicest people you ever want to meet.
Mind you, I said; MOST of the people.
There are many things I don't like about Faux news, Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh but, the worse thing they are doing now, is teaching people to behave like a bunch of rude, inconsiderate, loud mouth, obnoxious buffoons or, what we use to call, Yankees.
Here in Virginia, people have always been a pretty polite bunch but, when I went to the last town hall I was blown away by the rudeness of so many of the people. I haven't seen behavior like that since I was in New York city.

Well, bless your heart, it's still a symbol of racism and treason.

sticker cause they have taken over your message and living in the south you know it.

That's one sure way to dilute a message .

..however, the stars and bars represents the worst part of our culture. I know the Civil War was about a lot of things, but a big part of it was the defense of entrenched Southern political power, some of which was derived from slavery. It needs to go as a symbol.

but it's base meaning is the same base reason for the Civil War - the right to enslave others and the affirmation that they are less 'human' than the whites.

...

Of course, he doesn't care about anybody or anything and likes to piss people off.

I loved the way you stated how the Confederate flag in front of blacks is like waving the Swastika in front of Jews. Excellent analogy! :toast:

might as well have this branded across their forehead: "I am a big ignorant racist douchebag."

it was one of several battle banners and a naval ensign

But at two different times after the Civil War, this "confederate flag" began to pop up again: the first time was the beginning of the Jim Crow era (around 1900), as Southern segregationists set out to lock in segregration legally; the second time was the height of the Civil Rights movement, as Southern segregationists sought to preserve segregation

For the whole twentieth century, "the confederate flag" was a symbol of white supremacy. That's why it showed up regularly at KKK rallies

Flying "the confederate flag" to honor "heritage" is just bullshit: the Confederates typically regarded their home states as their countries; thus, Robert E Lee (who actually opposed slavery) fought because his first loyality was to Virginia. Anyone, who really wants to honor Confederate dead, flies a state flag over the grave or flies one of the actual flags of the Confederacy

He owned slaves and was racist through and through, more racist than many of his contemporaries.

The idea that Lee hated slavery and that the American Civil War was not about slavery is part of the rather noxious "Lost Cause" myth, which was used, in part, by the South to lose the war and win the peace.

The subject of Lee's attitudes about slavery are, in fact, covered by people other than his most famous apologist, Douglas Freeman.

The best examination of Lee's attitudes toward slavery is Alan T. Nolan's "Lee Considered," which shatters Freeman's bull about Lee into about a billion little pieces.

Lee was not the moral, military, or political equal of his contemporaries on the Union side. He was not worthy, actually, to shine Frederick Douglass's boots, nor was he a General on the level of either Grant or Sherman or Sheridan. In fact, he was not on the level of George Thomas or even Meade.

He was, in short, a loser, a racist loser who, as Grant described it, "had suffered so much for a cause, though that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse."

I especially like the "least excuse" part. General Robert E. Lee was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, many of whom were poor people who fought for him under compulsion and threat of death.

If you read Lee's post war testimony before Congress, post war, what you find is a racist bigot who never even bothered to find out whether or not his slaves were human beings.

correct, of course, as is the assessment that cause was .. one of the worst for which a people ever fought -- so it is entirely fitting that Arlington was seized for a burial ground

Lee's attitude towards slavery was contaminated by his own personal and class interests, much as Thomas Jefferson's was: like Jefferson, who agonized loudly about the morality of slavery but never really let that angst influence his own behavior, Lee was happy to write (1856) There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil -- while simultaneously making every possible excuse for the institution and giving every possible rationalization for allowing it to wither away slowly rather than overthrowing it in a single decisive step. That a man who himself delayed the release of slaves manumitted by an estate of which he was the executor, in order to help him pay so debts, could also say at the end of the Civil War (according to biographer Nolan) I am rejoiced that Slavery is abolished is logically incongruous, of course, but I regard the sentiment as entirely sincere, however hypocritical it seems to us over a century later. None of this justifies Lee in my eyes: it simply sheds light on particular ways people of his era compromised their moral principals when facing practical consequences; such compromises, occurring on a great historical scale, predicably produced tragic results

The real point of my post, of course, was that Lee felt he owed primary allegiance to Virginia, not to the US, which seems to be a common attitude of the states rights crowd at the time of the Civil War

Robert E. Lee's Opinion Regarding Slavery
This letter was written by Lee in response to a speech given by then President Pierce.
Robert E. Lee letter dated December 27, 1856
http://www.civilwarhome.com/leepierce.htm
http://fair-use.org/robert-e-lee/letter-to-his-wife-on-slavery

<The Lee quote I am rejoiced that Slavery is abolished can be found in Nolan's book but here is an appearance on the web>
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/AH-CivilWarTimeline6.html

was about - for a New York minute.

Everybody at the time of the Civil War knew what the war was about. Zero "free" states seceded because they were concerned about Federal intrusion on States rights.

In fact, zero so called "free states" seceded when Lincoln called for troops to put down an insurrection against the Federal Government.

I note that several Northern States at various times had elements that wanted to secede because they felt that the Constitution protected slavery, which in fact it did.

Lee only became interested in emancipation when he needed bodies to stop bullets in the same way that the North was using (black) bodies to stop bullets.

By this time, of course, the war had taken on a life of its own and become an end in itself, as was so eloquently noted by Lincoln in the second inaugural address. Unlike Lincoln's more famous Gettysburg Address which contained the notably incorrect prediction that



there are no statements in the Second Inaugural that are veritably untrue. There are zero statements about the nature of the war itself that are untrue.

Lee was basically way too stupid to recognize that there were many African Americans who were infinitely smarter than he, with his reactionary mentality and his moral vacuity, could ever dream of being. His notion of African Americans as farm animals was so primitive, so myopic, that he actually thought that African Americans would fight for him.

The appalling nature of this myth of benign slavery and a benign and noble Lee reached its apotheosis with "Gone With the Wind," but many of Lee's contemporaries on Lee's side were less disingenuous and far less dishonest than Lee, the liar.

Famously both Alexander Stephens, the Confederate Vice President, and Howell Cobb, former Confederate Senate President Pro Tempore (and acting Confederate President until the swearing in of Jefferson Davis) explicitly identified the Confederacy with slavery, and that same Jefferson Davis, President of the failed racist state declared the Union Army's arming of slaves - at least until his own neck was on the line - "the most execrable measure in the history of guilty man."

http://www.bluffton.edu/~bergerd/essays/trclark.htm

The war had nothing to do with anything but slavery. It was just another in a series of continuous acts of violence by a racist minority against another minority.

Lee is an appalling figure in history, more or less equivalent of Erwin Rommel although it can at least be said of Rommel that he at least - rather late in the game to have evolved any moral standing - participated in the plot to kill Hitler.

In opposition to Romeel, even in the presence of his captor, the incomparable Ulysses S. Grant, Lee maintained loyalty to Davis, something that Grant found, justifiably I think, extremely foolish.

Nobody waves Nazi flags around because Rommel was a clever general under some circumstances, or even because he participated in the July plot. The fact is that Rommel served in the Nazi army, and as such, he is on the side of history that can only be treated with contempt. The same goes for Lee.

The widely-propagandized idea that people have been flying it for the last hundred years to show respect for "heritage" is ahistorical nonsense: the record shows people used it throughout the twentieth century to exhibit their allegiance to Jim Crow

In general, I agree with what you say about Lee and the Civil War: of course, slavery was not benign, the apologists for slavery were moral idiots, the war was really fought over slavery, the correct side won, and the subsequent nostalgic idealizations of the losers are vapid crap

It is all a matter of intent and perspective. Many people who fly the Confederate Battle Flag may be doing it as a way to intimidate blacks or others or to be a baddass "rebel", and many who put it on their car do it because they had an ancestor in the Confederate Army and are big Civil War buffs. I've seen both. In fact, when I was in Maryland, I remember seeing one particular Confederate Battle Flag bumper sticker with the words "heritage not hate" under it. I think that many understand that others might take offense or even be fearful of the flag, so they actually go the extra mile to state their exact intent. Others probably don't care to.

For those who see it only in terms of the Civil War, a lot of times as "heritage" or "historical" thing (reenactments are pretty big for one), they don't necessarily see the present-day symbolism it may have due to the KKK using it for many years after the Civil War. Or if they do, they don't care to be all too sensitive and make sure their intent is clear.

I think it is also necessary to point out the the Confederate Battle Flag is just that, the flag was used by regiments in battle. The official flag of the Confederacy looks very different. Considering that many people who like celebrating their heritage in the Civil War are connected to it by a soldier that served in it, it kinda makes sense they would fly the battle flag rather than the actual flag of the Confederacy. I guess that's a good thing in a way, because it seems somewhat less traiterous, but I suppose it could also be viewed as trying to be as violent as possible with the imagery.