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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 09:50 PM
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The "both parties are equally bad" myth
I'm sick and tired of so-called moderates and cynical independents claiming that both parties are equally deserving of contempt.

While one can find plenty of faults in the Democratic Party, which party has moved consistently towards the lunatic fringes of the right, poisoned the wells of political debate and the electoral process, and done more damage to our republic and our democracy in a matter of a decade than anyone else has done in a matter of a century?

What do the Democrats have to compete with the despicable actions of the Republicans?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 09:51 PM
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1. Democrats seem to want to help people. Republicans are slaves to corporations - period
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 09:55 PM
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5. No - both are beholden to corporations
but that's capitalism

But they each serve a different side of the people, in varying degrees, if it doesn't offend corporations.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 09:52 PM
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2. Otherwise known as the middle ground fallacy.
We keep taking the middle ground between the already compromised left and the extreme right. Every time.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 09:52 PM
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3. so fuckin tired of it. so fuckin stupid. and so fuckin wrong. nt
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bugfragged Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 09:54 PM
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4. Democrats may not represent our interests all the time...
...but at least they don't represent the interests of the lunatic fraction of our population.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 10:19 PM
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11. Really? I Thought Gay Marriage Was Still Illegal!
I had no idea the Democrats got it passed! Holy shit! And Obama signed it? Wow! I take back every bad thing I ever said about them!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:45 PM
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22. didn't you hear? and that little war thingee? finis. cause dems = good guys, doncha know.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 07:45 PM by Hannah Bell
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 09:56 PM
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6. slight difference with me: dems, for the most part, have their hearts in the right places, but....
severely lack the courage of their convictions, and, as they amass more power, are less likely to adhere to said convictions

who knows the reasons, but look at where Clinton stood as a youth, and whahow his presidency became a global captialist's dream

some might say the same thing is happening now
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 09:57 PM
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7. The difference between Democrats and Republican.
Democrats steal with one hand and give with the other. Republicans steal with both hands.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 10:32 PM
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13. I was gonna say Dems are peeping toms, and Rethugs are kiddie rapers, but your
way of putting it is better, aquart!
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 09:59 PM
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8. I think both parties are deserving of contempt, but not equally.
Edited on Tue Sep-15-09 10:00 PM by jtrockville
Let's face it: both parties' primary obligation is to their corporate masters. Who was it that said...

Under republicans, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Under democrats, the rich get richer and the poor get richer.


At least the dems throw us a bone every now and then.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 09:59 PM
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9. That's a fall back position for wing nuts when you challenge them
It's one of my idiot son in laws favorite responses when he starts on one of his pointless anti Obama tirades and I come back with a hundred reasons why he's full of shit.

This is how he responds-

"Aw, they're ALL crooks."

Nope, sorry they aren't. And your guys are far worse.
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 10:03 PM
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10. Exactly-it's intellectual laziness...
...and a personal unwillingness to admit that yes, your side is worse. Far worse.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 10:21 PM
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12. The proof of the lie can be seen when you look at their approach to
poverty and the treatment of the poor, disabled and elderly.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 11:05 PM
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14. The myth's main purpose is to get Republicans elected. Wingnuts come out to vote while others stay
home "because it doesn't matter."
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 11:43 PM
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15. Equally? No. Deserving of contempt? Not so easily answered with a no
Republicans are regularly obstructionist and helpful only to their masters, the corporations. Democrats are regularly spineless and unwilling to push back against their masters, the corporations. Notice the corporations are actually running things on both sides.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:38 AM
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18. well stated.
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WeCanWorkItOut Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:46 AM
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16. We have our manipulators, and good people who believe them
just as the Republicans do. And an awful lot of ignorance.

The transfer of wealth from the middle class
to the professional classes (doctors, trial lawyers etc)
was promoted in a good share by the Democrats. But few
people are even aware that this happened, presumably because
the debate is dominated by those high-income Democrats.

Most recently we've had Rob Reich, who seems like such a decent guy,
disgracing himself by not admitting the extent to which
the doctors and the high-income union members will profit
from various health insurance reform plans being considered.

The labor unions, that's especially sad. They might have had
the power to prevent this health crisis from developing.
But decade after decade, while health costs rose higher and higher
they never dreamed of criticizing doctors, hospitals, or
drug makers. They just demanded that the costs be paid by
their employers. To help, they gave up vacations,
they did without raises. If they had been less ignorant
and less trusting, they might have helped to limit
the inflation and the suffering.

As for the repeal of Glass-Steagall, an important factor in
the creation of the housing bubble, please recall that it happened
in 1999, and both Democrats and Republicans were involved.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:35 AM
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17. We're the slightly less evil, corporate party.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:14 PM
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19. No Drama Obama ...
pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:28 PM
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20. Yup, that one is pure Naderite bullshit.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:41 PM
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21. Both parties are horrible
but for some strange reason I choose to share my "wisdom" here, not on the other site. :)
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