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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 12:53 AM
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Poll question: What penalties are appropriate for crimes against humanity, treason, war profiteering
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 12:58 AM by bobthedrummer
and other crimes committed by current and former members of the George W. Bush administration? on edit: after a trial under existing laws and being found guilty.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:05 AM
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1. I'm a steadfast opponent of capital punishment ... but ...
... if there's to be an exception, it'd be for 'royalty' and heads of state and their cohorts.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:10 AM
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4. When it comes to crimes against humanity and treason I voted for
lethal injection if found guilty under existing laws.

I use the Nuremberg Trials as a precedent.
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:05 AM
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2. Hanged, Drawn & Quartered.
If they want to eliminate our basic rights; then theirs are also forefit.....
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 10:49 AM
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31. I tend to agree...
I would suspect if these most vile of humans were put in prison for life (as I would expect for capital crimes), they would find ways to work the system from inside prison walls. Can you imagine what would happen if someone from a really rich and powerful family were to be sentence to prison for life? While their high-priced lawyers would be working to get them out (thanks to a corrupt judicial system of their own doing), the one inside would be living the life of riley while overseeing the "family's" operation.

Not too mention that if all fails, there're the highly-professional mercs at Blackwater that could take on the task of a jail break...
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:07 AM
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3. My personal favorite is by guillotine, but I settled for hanging.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:10 AM
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5. Firing squad. It's the fastest and least painful. n/t
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:17 PM
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21. No, They don't deserve the easy way out.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:18 AM
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26. Well, I was going to mention the giant deli slicer method
With concentrated lemon juice washing continuously on the blade. And thinness of the slices determined by the jury.

But I thought that suggestion might get axed. Besides, the few people here that are pro-capitol-punishment in principal don't want the condemmed to suffer.

By the time he recovered from the shock of being hit by three or four high-powered rifle rounds, he'd be dead for a couple of minutes.
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:38 AM
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6. Hang the Bastards!
Especially Bush and Cheney! Nobody ever deserved it more!


Impeach Bushco!
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:53 AM
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7. Life imprisonment.nt
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Wildewolfe Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:55 AM
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8. Life imprisonment...
They don't become martyrs and they get decades of time to suffer for what they've done rather than a moment and they're gone.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:57 AM
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9. It depends on who you ask.
I'd say life imprisonment in solitary with each of their walls lined with life sized pictures of the living faces of the people that died because of them. You know the kind of pictures with eyes that always follow you? No escape.

But they would say...if you look at their pattern...that they deserve the medal of honor.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:04 PM
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10. kick
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:12 PM
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11. life imprisonment behind safety glass,in a zoo like environment
Edited on Sun Apr-15-07 01:15 PM by Solly Mack
where people can come and view, point and laugh - mock derisively and heap scorn - in addition to confiscation of ALL assets.

but that's just me and I'm not nice.


and since we're talking fantasy... :)

Sorry - I just don't believe America's got it in her to seek actual accountability
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:52 PM
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15. That crossed my mind too-also providing on demand 24/7 surveillance
to viewers...that would be for the underlings not the principals. You are nice btw.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:34 PM
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36. Pay-Per-View and we could recoup some money
for needed services. :)

I'd feel guilty,truthfully, should such come to pass - and would want them treated as I would want all those imprisoned treated - with dignity and respect. It's never a question of what a person deserves ..it's a question of the type of people we are....
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:14 PM
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12. I'm a steadfast oponent of the daeth penalty
but I am willing to make an exception for this one. Not that it has any deterrent mind you, but the scope of the crimes is such that the penalty fits the crime

Oh and hanging since this was what was used by the Nuremberg trial
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:16 PM
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14. .
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 01:14 PM
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13. If it's good enough for Saddam...
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 02:03 PM
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16. I don't think killing them would be satisfactory
The best idea is to dole it out slowly and constantly. My idea of the best punishment would be solitary confinement for the rest of their lives--only the prison guards actually seeing them long enough to feed them and that's it. In addition, I would suggest only magazines as reading material, all from around 1974 (Watergate), around 1987 (Oliver North), and anything on the many varied and sundry scandals laid at Bush's feet. :)
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 02:05 PM
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17. Life in prison. I want them to live a LONG time with their failure. - n/t
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 02:33 PM
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18. Life in prison
no parole. I think solitary confinement would probably be a good idea, and in Bush's case, maybe some padded walls as well. And not in one of those nice cushy prisons, either - I want no special courtesies extended to them on account of their former status. War criminals, all, and they should be treated as such.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 03:08 PM
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19. Nuremberg Trials page from Wikipedia
Nuremberg Trials
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:11 PM
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20. It's interesting that several people opposed to capital punishment
have posted about making exceptions for this poll.

How many others feel that way?
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:25 PM
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23. I don't want them dead
because I feel like that would probably turn them into martyrs, and that's the LAST thing we need. Better to lock them away and let them rot in silence, IMO.
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:22 PM
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22. Life in solitary, writing condolence letters to the families of all who
died in their war. Take away all of their ill gotten gains and give it to charity.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-15-07 05:42 PM
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24. .
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 02:32 AM
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27. Other:
Being shot into the sun.

Literally.

Pile them into a rocket. Give them two weeks rations, and allow them to comtemplate their actions as they await being steamed alive before hurtling into molten helium/hydrogen.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 06:40 AM
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28. smothering by kittens and marshmallows
:bounce: :hug:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 10:33 AM
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29. kick
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 10:37 AM
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30. Life imprisonment
Let them really suffer in a jail bunked with Bubba.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 12:25 PM
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32. I've always like the bumper sticker, "Bush Deserves a Fair Trial"
But if he and the junta are ever locked up, I hope it's in Gitmo. They deserve the same treatment they authorized for others.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-16-07 12:39 PM
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33. Someone on DU made a good suggestion recently
They could be sentenced to changing bedpans in a VA hospital for vets whose injuries they are responsible for.

Another possibility: cleaning latrines in a third world country impoverished by their economic policies.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:42 AM
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34. kick
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:19 PM
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35. Serious crimes have been committed within this administration, including treason-kick
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Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 03:37 PM
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37. My Heart Tells Me, "Watch Them Swing Like Saddam"
But my mind overrides the emotion, and votes for life imprisonment.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 04:12 PM
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38. kick
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 04:13 PM
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39. Life in prison
No chance or parole or pardon.
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