any smokers here? Did you know they have changed the formula ...FSC

Fire Safe Ciggarettes...


they are supposed to go out easier

they even taste different...


I just thought it was my taste buds because of all the new medicine I started...

no, I found out that on the UPC code on each pack there is a FSC

Cheaper, better for my health.

And know the FDA is looking to ban them

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/

It's a very good place for information about it.

Explaining what I use would take a lot of typing. And it's not for everyone.

and that most (all?) are made in China and we have no idea what is in them. (Of course, we don't for cigarettes, either.) I thought you might have found something with known ingredients. Thanks for the link - I will look into it. My husband has expressed a willingness to try them if I can locate him something that looks reasonably safe.

They did find some of the same carcinogens that are in cigarettes, they tried to hide the fact the levels were about 1400 times lower though. Didn't fit their agenda I suppose...

http://www.blueoregon.com/2009/07/legalize-marijuana.html?cid=6a00d8341c2c3f53ef011570fbafef970c

(In the comments - this was the first thing that turned up in a search.)

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Oh, you mean like "asking for my friend"....? :rofl:

No, I would never smoke, after being subjected to two chain smokers (parents).

I actually smoked for about six weeks once, for a play. I threw up the first several times I inhaled. I hated the smell, and had to be taught to smoke as if I liked it. I quit as soon as the play was over.

I'm convinced that the only reasons people start smoking are a) peer pressure at an early age or b) something in the body chemistry that gives a particular proclivity to nicotine as a soothing agent.

I meant if your "friend" is looking to buy e-cigarettes, I can hook them up. Just PM me.

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How do they work? Where do you get them?

35 year smoker..

I breathe a lot esier, I don't stink like a cigarette and I save money.

And after 6 months of it I believe it will be easier to quit than cigarettes.

I notice a lot less hard breathing when walking up hills etc.

They are a vaporizer basically. They vaporize a liquid that is water, propylene glycol with nicotine in it into a vapor (think steam).

Downside is they are made in China, quality control is a concern. Though some manufacturers are trying to get through FDA approval.

The FDA is trying to classify them as a nicotine replacement device, and is trying to block sales in the U.S.

They recently put out report that says they found a few of the same carcinogens in them as in cigarettes, but intentionally his the fact they were at a 1400 times lower level.

They are fiddly, and more of a pain than cigarettes though being battery powered, I usually just use a USB powered one.

I even use it in the office. No more hiking outside for a smoke.

Of course the FDA wants to ban them. What would the tobacco industry do without us? Not to mention the federal & state governments. Every time someone gives me shit about smoking, I remind them that their sales taxes, property taxes, & income taxes would be higher if we all gave up smoking. That usually shuts them up! How much of the cost of a pack of cigarettes is taxes? Here in NJ, the cheaper places for my cigarettes sell them for $8.85/pack!

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i am trying that monday.

My hubby tried that, no joy. He cannot be hypnotized at all, whereas I can do it to myself with a script from a book. People are strange (and different)..... ;->

all that meditating ect... so we will see. have never had it done. interesting your husband. i dont see how it will work, but man... i want to quit

I've noticed lately that if I wasn't constantly puffing, it was out and I had to relight.

Very annoying, if you ask me.

never before with anything but roll my owns. Probably a good thing-less chemicals to keep them going!

Then again after giving it more thought, at least I'm not wasting a cigarette.

I had a terrible habit of lighting up and plopping the cig in the ashtray to burn away between puffs. I trained myself to not light up until I was free to take a smoke break. As a result I don't go through as many cigs as I used to.

i thought the first handful of pack just defective til a friend told me.

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It's annoying, but I look at it as saving some money. How many times have we all "wasted" a cigarette if we're doing something else...like reading DU? Sometimes I feel like it's making me cut down. I'll take a few drags, put it in the ashtray and before I know it, it's out and I don't bother to re-light until I feel like having another. I end up smoking one when I'd normally smoke two.

At least half of the cigs I burned up I never actually smoked... light it, take a drag or two, put it in the ashtray and forgot it so it all burned away.

telling you what you need to do...

some people are just asses

so it should be +1

find them quite amusing,especially on DU where tolerance of others is something wonderful to behold.

I would just think people have more things to do than to click on a thread they are not interested in and then neg rep stuff

match and lighter companies must be doing quite well.

Constant relighting.

that are usually in there to keep the cigarette burning. So less chemicals is probably a good thing.

PA was one of the last states to institute the change. The first FSC I bought I thought they were stale or something because they tasted weird and kept going out. But when the next ones I got were the same I looked up on the internet to see if there was something that my brand did to "new and improve" them. That's how I found out about the law passing in PA and that most other states already had the FSC. I hate them. You have to constantly relight them and the sections where the paper is doubled up (which is what causes them to go out) constantly fall off while remaining lit so they burn your hand, your clothes, carpet, furniture, etc. I'm going to try the e-cigs when I get another job and have the money.

$40 and $20 for one pack of refills a few weeks later. That was 3 months ago. I've bummed some regular cigs off friends in between but it paid for itself within about 3 weeks, not to mention I feel much healthier.

I didn't think they were sold here and they had to come from overseas via internet sales? I'm going to check the smoke shop tomorrow!

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Of course, I've forgotten a lot of it, but I did find one that I liked so it's just a matter of scraping up the money and figuring out how the things work. Got a birthday coming up really soon so hoping I'll end up getting the starter kit as a gift. ;)

I was a little slow on the uptake. I thought I bought a bad carton, so I tried a busier store for the next carton. Then I thought Marlboro had maybe suddenly lost their ability to manufacture a cigarette. I hated the FSC and figured if I had to relearn how to smoke I might as well relearn with an e-cig.

I've been exclusively smoking (vaping) for about five months now. My husband still has a cigarette every now and then, but he's basically quit with the e-cig too - and he wasn't even trying.

I smoke a lot less since switching to Sherman's - they're packed tighter, taste better and cost so damn much it cuts down on mindless smoking!

they go out in the ashtray.

He's not in terrible shape or anything, but I hate the way you don't know what's in them (other that what's naturally in tobacco, I mean), and the smell and yuck.

Yeah, I knew he smoked when I married him, and both my parents smoked (great for vacation - a closed car with two chain smokers and a little kid.....), but it just seems yuckier and yuckier to me over the years.

He's always smoked Trues - every time he tried something else, he'd develop a cough. So I guess that's some evidence that they may be the among best of a bad lot.....

and the taste is definitely altered

I did, however, relapse once. I had a cheap cigar (Swisher Sweet....:puke:) one night while drunk.
My Thread in the Smoking Cessation DU Group
20 years of smoking Camel Filters before. How is the taste different?

and buys European tobacco that contains no additives. Next year he's planning to grow his own tobacco.

We planted tobacco, inside in our little starter greenhouse that we use for other garden plants. We got them out in the garden late so we are a bit behind.
We planted organic seeds from an organic seed house(can't remember the name now but found through google search ). We know tobacco grows here..our house is in the middle of what was a tobacco field for 250 years!
We are going to switch to the home grown heirloom organic, no chems aside from what is normally in tobacco. By the way get one of the light burley variety that is what is used in cigs. We figure if we can get weaned off the chems it would be easier to break the habit all together. Though we usually smoke with windows open or even outside except when it is raining or too cold.
We suit ourselves if you don't like smoke, don't come visit, or don't get in my car. I pretty tired of nonsmokers telling me what they think frankly, we pay the bills here.
http://organicaseed.com/ this one is the company we ordered heirloom organic seed from I do not know much about the other two, but they seem to be reputable.

http://www.victoryseeds.com/tobacco/index.html

http://www.newhopeseed.com/tobacco/

I have read that the additives in American Mass-produced cigarettes are the culprit?

I wonder if there is any advantage to roll-your-own?

euro cigarettes are just as bad for you as US ones, trust me. Besides cancer, smoking can easily lead to emphysema and a host of other problems. I quit this year because i don't like the idea of having to carry around an oxygen tank later. I found the e-cigarettes quite helpful, but you have to decide these things for yourself.

A cigarette as known in the United States is a precisely engineered device for maximum efficiency freebasing of nicotine. Precisely controlled air flow rates, temperatures, the paper has a defined burn rate and temp to control the leaf tobacco, etc.

You know, just because we're more socially democratic in Europe doesn't mean we only sell organic cigarettes or something, they're just as engineered as they are here if not more so. And get this: the main cigarette company in France is a state-owned monopoly. That's right, the French government grows, develops and markets a product that kills its citizens. On this particular issue, American self-flagellation is misplaced.

When I lived in MX, I found out the Marlboro Reds do not contain the salt-peter, ammonia or formaldehyde that the American style reds do. In fact, there was a host of chemical additives that smokes in MX do not contain that are in American smokes.

Not saying that makes it more or less healthy. :shrug:

I imagine one man's flagellation is another man's self-critique.

I imagine the ingredients are different depending on the country was my larger point. But, if you feel better validated by an inane and irrelevant geography lesson, by all means...

sheesh-- wasn't trying to illustrate anyone to be right or wrong, simply adding additional information. :eyes:

But what about the home-grown.. roll your own? Still Bad? I know some small farmers that are selling bundles of farm cured tobacco to people who want to roll their own.

I know its not good to ingest anyting into your lungs... just wondering...

Roll your own is much the same I think. Sure, additives don't help but the basic thing of inhaling smoke just isn't good for you. I still like pot but not in big quantities. Don't mean to lecture you or anything but it's basically just unhealthy...I got tired of wondering whether i was going to get artificial emphysema or organic emphysema, if you know what I mean. I decided to just stop breathing in soot from burning leaves on a regular basis, even though the immediate effects can be enjoyable.

I smoked European cigarrettes.

A type of lung cancer known as adenocarcinoma has been found to affect American smokers but not smokers in other countries. The culprit is the nitrosamines which American tobacco companies started adding in the 60's. Nitrosamines are not used in the processing of tobacco in other countries. Kind of follows something I have said for years-cigarettes became more dangerous when they changed the processing. Not saying they were ever safe but the cigarettes produced in the past 4 decades are more toxic. Another study out in about the past year showed a genetic link to smoking related lung cancer. Also follows a personal observation of mine that everyone in my family has smoked for as far back as anyone can remember and there has never been a case of lung cancer or emphysema among them. Grandfather died at 102 after 90 years of smoking and no signs of lung or heart disease. On the other hand, everyone in my husband's family who smokes has emphysema.

It's the hardest thing I've ever had to do for myself. It's 15 years now. My spouse quit in March! Yayyyy! He had a hard time but did it with a support group of other smokers. It worked for him! :-)

..."Not at all!! Mind if I fart?"

I am considerate I don't ask to smoke in others homes and do go outside and down wind. When I am at home I do as I please, but if it is 67 or warmer the windows are open in the house and a fan or 6 on.

Nothing better than a hand-rolled, hand made cigar with craft tobacco. (and the time to smoke it leisurely) Maybe smoke 1 cigar per week.

Gorge Burns smoked cigars.. he lived to 101.....

So one less additive should be a good thing, no?

I cant believe I did this, actually.

You're almost through the very hardest part.

When my husband smoked it he used cigarette papers for the purpose for which they were nominally manufactured. The cigs always went out, and this saved a lot of money because he's one of those techie nerds who always put them down and forgot about them when he was really engrossed in something.

Hang in there quitters, you can do it! I had a BAD nicotine monkey on my back. I quit almost two years a go and now I feel like Superman! I farm an acre or two and ride my bike and love it. Once I finally broke free, I was surprised at how easy it really is. If I had known it would be that easy, I would have quit years sooner. I did it, you can do it to!

You don't have to play by the rules imposed on you by your corporate masters and you don't have to be the victim of the populist effort to balance the budget on the backs of addicts instead of rich folks incomes. You have a choice. You can work hard and play by the rules and get fucked or, you can take advantage of loopholes like all of the rich people do while you are working hard for them.

All I'm saying is that things are cheaper elseware. And as long as the rules don't apply to the rich folks, why should they apply to the rest of us?

I haven't noticed any difference in taste though.

They didn't "change the formula." They added "speed bumps." If there is ANY difference in taste, it would only be two or three puffs when you might taste more paper. That's all it is--a couple rings of less porous paper.

I don't have this problem.

did you know there were over 2000 non tobacco constituents in a camel cigarette? there is even deer tongue in camel cigarettes. its an addictive flavorant.

We're in the middle of quitting (again) which has us down to about 5 smokes per day. I'd like to try the e-cigs instead. Good luck to us all & the long-time smokers who have made it are a vital inspiration for me. Thanks again.
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