Irving Kristol...Billy's Dad Has Passed...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/ap_on_re_us/us_obit_irving_kristol





Discuss...

Though I don't like the guy or his son, it is always sad for a family when someone dies.
No need to act like a freeper.

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The man had an interesting life... nuff said.

Cheers...

I may disagree with their politics, but condolences to the Kristol family on their loss.

since by today it is hardly news, and response #7 would have not been written. Let's not have any illusions.

The first few responses here showed class, but it probably was too much to expect here. As for response #7, I cannot see it and probably have that poster on ignore for good reason. I'm happy to have this confirmation.

those who say nice things about a powerful, corrupt, or harmful being just because that person has died, demonstrate an acceptance of the value of the traditional social/economic structures that allow powerful, corrupt beings to adversely affect our lives.
it would be far better to honestly evaluate the life's work of the dead individual and learn from the lessons that life can provide.

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There is a difference. There were even Republicans who could offer condolences regarding Ted Kennedy and I believe he would have offered condolences himself in this case because he had class.

but they are the same as showing respect for the deceased.
i do not advocate showing up at funerals and jeering or mocking those attending the service and i would not encourage anyone to make nasty comments to family members of the deceased, even outside of the immediate time of the death even though mr kristol advocated policies that led to americans dropping bombs on numerous wedding celebrations in the middle-east.
since this thread is neither outside the cemetery gates nor directed at the kristol family i see no reason why the political and economic rivals of an evil man should bow our heads for a moment.
he was an opportunistic political turncoat who used the reagan revolution for personal gain, and he did it at the expense of his fellow americans.

While I surely don't live on DU, I generally scan GD several times during the day to see what information is being posted. I hadn't seen any post done on this and it was done to share news...thus why I didn't leave any personal comment.

Sorry some of us aren't as wired as others here. Yes, let's have no illusions, the post was intended for FYI and nothing else. Those who want to bash...that's their business.

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Good riddance to that mother fucker. "Bury neo-conservitivism with Kristol's rotting corpse."

Died, you mean.

In my family, even when its people we didn't agree with, there was a certain decorum when someone dies. I've always used the word passed...as in passed away. I leave my bashing to the living...(except Zombie Reagan)...LOL.

Cheers...

"Passed" is a strange euphemism. It's often used as shorthand for "passed over", which implies "moved on to another plane of existence". "Died" is simply accurate and neutral.

but i am not sure it is a good thing in the long run. those who promote evil policies or actions in their lifetimes should not be exonerated in death. if society tends to forgive and forget individual actions because a perpetrator has passed away then they miss the opportunity to learn from the life's examples of the miscreant.
when reagan died there was much pressure from society and from many on du to treat the dead with respect.
if the deceased showed no respect for others during their lifetime and promoted notions and policies that harmed those with less power and influence then that is exactly what should be remembered about their life's work.
irving kristol was among the worst of the prominent, twentieth century, american sociopaths.
the problems facing this nation were made decidedly worse by this man's work and he, and his family, should not be treated with kid gloves.
the collective memory is what allows progress. collective amnesia causes civilization to stagnate.
for the sake of "taking the high road" we sell our own futures to ideas and practices that need to be discredited.
this particular more is much like refusing to discuss politics or religion at the table, because it is impolite. this behavior serves to protect the status quo and those in power.
and the elites don't even have to ask us to avoid publicly confronting them because members of our own class actively suppress any discussion of the evil wrought by the recently deceased.

Yes, their life's work should be remembered and there will be plenty of time to do that. There is his living legacy that need to be dealt with...and are. This soul is no longer in that game and at least in the moments following his passing, let his passing be noted and leave it at that. It may be worthy of looking back on that life and examining its affects on the current world, but it will be the man's heirs that are the ones worthy of scrutiny as they attempt to perpetuate or even expand the evil.

Last night I watched Matthew Connanitti (sp?) on Bill Mahrer's show. He's the third generation...Billy's protege who demonstrated how dijointed and dishonest the neo-con worldview is. That's Mr. Kristol's legacy in action...and should be the point of attack now...they've done enough harm.

Cheers...

that needs our attention but i am not sure that the respect we show a character like kristol upon his death and in the immediate aftermath isn't a demonstration of disrespect to the victims of his defense of the neocon world view.
most people inadvertently or purposefully hurt some other individuals during the course of their lives and its proper to overlook this aspect of humanness at the moment of one's death but when the deceased has used a position of power and authority to harm millions of his countrymen and women and to kill millions of others in neocon sponsored wars of conquest then overlooking the harm caused by the individual is tantamount to approval.

all the virtues that make Bill such a douche bag, then I'm glad he's dead.

Screw him.