I learn so much reading posts here at the DU...(Re: DLC)

I have always given money to the Democratic Leadership Council, never realizing that the DLC is in many ways a subchapter the democratic party.

After reading a post talking about the DLC, I went to it’s web site and found this....
(it pertains to what the DLC wants its members so say about the surge)....

>>>snip

Fourth, a congressional effort to cut funding would be seen in the country as an attempt to seize control of Iraq policy. If there is to be a calamitous, Vietnam-style U.S. defeat in Iraq, Karl Rove would probably like nothing better than to goad Democrats into assuming co-responsibility for it. There's no reason to fall into this trap now. So Democrats should speak their minds, hope for the best in Iraq, and be prepared to hold the president accountable if his latest plan fails.

Will Marshall is president of the Progressive Policy Institute.

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http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=124&subid=307&contentid=254171

How pathetic...it’s all about politics...

Don’t cut the funding, even though it‘s the only way to bring our troops home...let Bush get his way...“hope for the best” and blame the White House for everything.

:banghead:




Here’s a link to the post...that got me so curious about the DLC....


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x65665

days. The DLC treats voters as an exploitable evil. They are elitists.

But the voters aren't near as stupid as the DLC makes them out to be.

It may be the easiest for the Dems to accomplish, but it's not the only power Congress has period. They can also vote to rescind Bush's war powers, since the conditions of the IWR (fraudulent as it was, but ...) no longer apply. No Saddam, no WMDs, no threat.

Now, obviously, Bush will veto this, so they'll need to get a supermajority from Republicans like Hagel crossing the aisle. But the point is, Congress has this power. I don't like seeing people, even unintentionally, help sell the WH's bogus theory of inherent war powers.

NT!

Don't Offend Anyone.

He is personally invested in this insane, genocidal, imperialist, fascist foreign policy and he wants the "Democratic" candidate in 2008 to feel the same way.

That is absolutely unacceptable.

I thought PNAC was totaly a republican thing.

You don't hear them call themselves neoliberals, they call themselves "new democrats". The media/talking heads will occasionally use the term neoliberal.

Know thy enemy. These are the same people attempting to run the base out of the party. If you disagree with them, no matter how centrist you are, they will call you part of the "looney left". There is no "looney left", and when I hear a Democratic politician use that slur they have lost my support forever, no ifs ands or buts.

Is this the same Will Marshall?

So Gore "lost" because of decision to discard New Dems (ie DLC)?
Posted by mod mom in General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007)

"A key factor in that defeat was Gore's peculiar decision to discard the New Democrat formula that had worked so well in 1992 and 1996."

-snip
http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=128&subsecID=187&contentID=3361

This was written by Will Marshall. Who is Will Marshall?

Will Marshall is one of the founders of the New Democrat movement, which aims to steer the US Democratic Party toward a more right-wing orientation. Since its founding in 1989, he has been president of the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank affiliated with the Democratic Leadership Council. He recently served on the board of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, a committee chaired by Joe Lieberman and John McCain designed to build bipartisan support for the invasion of Iraq. Marshall also signed, at the outset of the war, a letter issued by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) expressing support for the invasion. Marshall signed a similar letter sent to President Bush put out by the Social Democrats USA on Feb. 25, 2003, just before the invasion. The SDUSA letter urged Bush to commit to "maintaining substantial U.S. military forces in Iraq for as long as may be required to ensure a stable, representative regime is in place and functioning." He writes frequently on political and public policy matters, especially the "Politics of Ideas" column in Blueprint, the DLC's magazine. Notably, he is one of the co-authors of Progressive Internationalism: A Democratic National Security Strategy.

-snip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Marshall

THAT'S RIGHT, THE GUY WHO SAID GORE LOST BECAUSE OF HIS DECISION TO ABANDON THE NEW DEMOCRAT MOVEMENT (IE THE DLC) WAS A SIGNER OF PNAC!

DO YOU THINK PERHAPS THIS IS WHY THE DEMS IGNORED ELECTION FRAUD AND ALLOWED THE APPOINTMENT OF bu$h?

Al Gore had seen the light! This is just why our nation needs him to run for president!

went down when our DLC leaders gave Bush permission. To the letter. I always suspected that Clinton, Edwards, Kerry, Levin and others got together and let the DLC advise them deciding that going with Bush would be good for maintaining their own voting base and that they could lambast him if it went wrong. (Except they never did until the last couple of months - a most cowardly act.)

This is the exact right of center decision they have come up with each and every time I started noticing them. All delivered and explained in obtuse milquetoast blabber. This is the exact reason I've transited from distrust to outright rage at the DLC.

It's the exact same thing that has gone on blatantly ever since they mismanaged Al Gore.

AND IT'S ONLY OUR KIDS LIVES - MINDS - ORGANS - IMMUNE SYSTEMS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT!

I'm absolutely furious to read the proof of earlier findings in this same old position of theirs.

HOW UTTERLY DESPICABLE.

I CAN'T BE A DEMOCRAT WITH THIS DLC RUNNING THINGS.

THIS IS TRAITOROUS TO THE HUMAN RACE.

For the first time, I'm kind of seeing what Nader was saying. I would have seen it earlier if he had only said DLC.

cavalcade of crooks, PLEASE!

He is NOT DLC.

AND he was a NO vote on IWR.

Extra troops.

I'm off to get a list of DLC loyal leaders so I won't go wrong again.

My husband wanted me to vote for Nader...but when I heard Nader took money from the Bush campaign. It turned me off.

Maybe Kerry wasn't either.

Depends on your purpose.

Lots of loose threads in both elections.

-Hoot

republicans

Perhaps others might have missed it also.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stan-goff/unmasking-the-dlc_b_39287.html

These are the first two paragraphs of an article titled Unmasking The DLC -

Political strategy until 2008

Few things will be as important between now and the election primaries of 2008 as making sure the public knows about the Democratic Leadership Council. Teaching the public about the role and methods of this powerful clique of Democratic Party operatives could easily be the difference between a Democratic Party that calls for an end to the war in Iraq and one that doesn't.

A strategic imperative for the antiwar movement must be to push for the defeat of any and all DLC supported candidates, and to expose and eviscerate the power of this ruling class committee. This is possible using the communications media available to popular forces through the internet, and combining this networking capacity with aggressive grassroots education efforts.

Official Website:
http://www.ndol.org

Name Occupation Birth Death Known for
Brian Baird Politician 7-Mar-1956 Congressman, Washington 3rd
Max Baucus Politician 11-Dec-1941 US Senator from Montana
Evan Bayh Politician 26-Dec-1955 US Senator from Indiana
Shelley Berkley Politician 20-Jan-1951 Congresswoman, Nevada 1st
John Breaux Politician 1-Mar-1944 US Senator from Louisiana, 1987-2005
Maria Cantwell Politician 13-Oct-1958 US Senator from Washington
Lois Capps Politician 10-Jan-1938 Congresswoman, California 23rd
Russ Carnahan Politician 10-Jul-1958 Congressman, Missouri 3rd
Thomas Carper Politician 23-Jan-1947 US Senator from Delaware
Ed Case Politician 27-Sep-1952 Congressman, Hawaii 2nd
Ben Chandler Politician 12-Sep-1959 Congressman, Kentucky 6th
Bill Clinton Head of State 19-Aug-1946 42nd US President, 1993-2001
Hillary Clinton First Lady 26-Oct-1947 US Senator from New York
Kent Conrad Politician 12-Mar-1948 US Senator from North Dakota
Bud Cramer Politician 22-Aug-1947 Congressman, Alabama 5th
Joseph Crowley Politician 16-Mar-1962 Congressman, New York 7th
Artur Davis Politician 9-Apr-1967 Congressman, Alabama 7th
Jim Davis Politician 11-Oct-1957 Congressman, Florida 11th
Susan Davis Politician 13-Apr-1944 Congresswoman, California 53rd
Cal Dooley Politician 11-Jan-1954 Congressman from California, 1991-2005
Byron Dorgan Politician 14-May-1942 US Senator from North Dakota 1992-
John Edwards Politician 10-Jun-1953 2004 Vice Presidential candidate
Rahm Emanuel Politician 29-Nov-1959 Congressman, Illinois 5th
Eliot Engel Politician 18-Feb-1947 Congressman, New York 17th
Bob Etheridge Politician 7-Aug-1941 Congressman, North Carolina 2nd
Dianne Feinstein Politician 22-Jun-1933 US Senator from California
Harold Ford Politician 11-May-1970 Congressman, Tennessee 9th
Dick Gephardt Politician 31-Jan-1941 Congressman from Missouri, 1977-2005
Al Gore Politician 31-Mar-1948 US Vice President under Clinton
Bob Graham Politician 9-Nov-1936 US Senator from Florida
Jane Harman Politician 28-Jun-1945 Congresswoman, California 36th
Stephanie Herseth Politician 3-Dec-1970 Congresswoman, South Dakota
Brian Higgins Politician 6-Oct-1959 Congressman, New York 27th
Rush Holt Politician 15-Oct-1948 Congressman, New Jersey 12th
Darlene Hooley Politician 4-Apr-1939 Congresswoman, Oregon 5th
Jay Inslee Politician 9-Feb-1951 Congressman, Washington 1st
Steve Israel Politician 30-May-1958 Congressman, New York 2nd
Tim Johnson Politician 28-Dec-1946 US Senator from South Dakota
Bob Kerrey Politician 27-Aug-1943 Governor and Senator from Nebraska
John Kerry Politician 11-Dec-1943 US Senator from Massachusetts
Ron Kind Politician 16-Mar-1963 Congressman, Wisconsin 3rd
Herb Kohl Politician 7-Feb-1935 US Senator from Wisconsin
Mary Landrieu Politician 23-Nov-1955 US Senator from Louisiana
Rick Larsen Politician 15-Jun-1965 Congressman, Washington 2nd
John Larson Politician 22-Jul-1948 Congressman, Connecticut 1st
Joseph Lieberman Politician 24-Feb-1942 US Senator from Connecticut
Blanche Lincoln Politician 30-Sep-1960 US Senator from Arkansas
Zoe Lofgren Politician 21-Dec-1947 Congresswoman, California 16th 1995-
Terry McAuliffe Politician 1957 Clinton's Chairman of the DNC
Carolyn McCarthy Politician 5-Jan-1944 Congresswoman, New York 4th
Mike McIntyre Politician 6-Aug-1956 Congressman, North Carolina 7th
Mack McLarty Government 1946 Clinton's Chief of Staff
Gregory Meeks Politician 25-Sep-1953 Congressman, New York 6th
Juanita Millender-McDonald Politician 7-Sep-1938 Congresswoman, California 37th
Dennis Moore Politician 8-Nov-1945 Congressman, Kansas 3rd
Jim Moran Politician 16-May-1945 Congressman, Virginia 8th
Ben Nelson Politician 17-May-1941 US Senator from Nebraska
Bill Nelson Politician 29-Sep-1942 US Senator from Florida
Gavin Newsom Politician 10-Oct-1967 Mayor of San Francisco
Sam Nunn Politician 8-Sep-1938 US Senator from Georgia, 1972-97
David Price Politician 17-Aug-1940 Congressman, North Carolina 4th
Mark Pryor Politician 10-Jan-1963 US Senator from Arkansas
Chuck Robb Politician 26-Jun-1939 US Senator from Virginia, 1989-2001
Timothy J. Roemer Politician 30-Oct-1956 9-11 Commission member
Loretta Sanchez Politician 7-Jan-1960 Congresswoman, California 47th
Adam Schiff Politician 22-Jun-1960 Congressman, California 29th
Allyson Schwartz Politician 3-Oct-1948 Congresswoman, Pennsylvania 13th
David Scott Politician 27-Jun-1946 Congressman, Georgia 13th
Adam Smith Politician 15-Jun-1965 Congressman, Washington 9th
Debbie Stabenow Politician 29-Apr-1950 US Senator from Michigan
John Tanner Politician 22-Sep-1944 Congressman, Tennessee 8th
Ellen Tauscher Politician 15-Nov-1951 Congresswoman, California 10th
Tom Udall Politician 18-May-1948 Congressman, New Mexico 3rd
Anthony A. Williams Politician 28-Jul-1951 Mayor of Washington, DC 1999-
David Wu Politician 8-Apr-1955 Congressman, Oregon 1st

our electoral system, our pre-selected candidates, etc.

And they are who we should be focusing on.....THE CORPORATIONS themselves. NOT their puppets.

Barons in their own foundations. They might be on the Boards of Directors and have investments - but they call the shots for the corporations. Bush and Cheney and the others are lower on the list. The barons are somewhat nameless and are mostly faceless. The military parallels the corporations. In my concept of it all, the links between the intelligence services and the barons is pretty direct.

Reading the comments at the Huff Po article, I found

http://www.democratsagainstthedlc.org/

They list DU as an anti-dlc resource. Anyone know anything about this group?

anyone in an 'About Us'?

I thought I had to figure this out for myself and am surprised there is so much out there.

We have a rift within the Party, people.

At this point in time, I can't support a DLC candidate.

I'm glad about Al Gore. imo - he was mishandled by them in the way they constantly changed directions (make that suggestions) to him. The campaign strategy got messed up as did the recount advice.

p.s. I saw a link to a site that talks about Obama not being DLC. Nor Feingold as we've been told, here.

WORTH READING THE WHOLE ARTICLE!:

article | posted March 3, 2005 (March 21, 2005 issue)

Going Nowhere: The DLC Sputters to a Halt

Ari Berman


In May 2003 the centrist Democratic Leadership Council published its yearly list of "100 New Democrats to Watch." The DLC frequently puts out these lists as a way to publicly solidify its identification with the New Democratic movement within the Democratic Party. The 2003 list, however, contained a number of questionable additions, including then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama. As a state senator, Obama had continually passed progressive legislation--a record that he vowed to add to when he began his run for the US Senate on a platform of clear opposition to the Patriot Act, the Iraq War and NAFTA, all positions anathema to the DLC. The puzzling addition caused The Black Commentator magazine to wonder, a month after the DLC list came out, whether Obama had been "corrupted" by the centrist group. Obama's reply to the Commentator was indicative of how the DLC plays the "New Democrat" card.

"Neither my staff nor I have had any direct contact with anybody at the DLC since I began this campaign a year ago," Obama wrote. "I don't know who nominated me for the DLC list of 100 rising stars, nor did I expend any effort to be included on the list.... I certainly did not view such inclusion as an endorsement on my part of the DLC platform." After realizing that his name appeared in the DLC's database, Obama asked to have it removed. The message was clear: The DLC needed Obama a lot more than Obama needed the DLC.

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http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050321/berman

I feel in my bones that Obama is a DLC/insider. And I also noticed how the MSM hyped him.

was DLC because of the MSM.

I've been in confusions about him - I keep wondering how so many people have picked him when I don't even know that much about him. I prefer to have a history of 'doing', not just 'saying'. (I admit that I didn't take a weekend (mor or less) to study him.)

Democrats Against the DLC...I want a piece of that. :)

If I hadn't taken the time to investigate things I would have been behind Bush then. People on DU posted so many wonderful articles with so many facts, I changed my mind.

Seven months before Dean took the DLC to task for pushing the party to the right, the DLC had mounted an initiative to discredit Dean.In May 2003, From and Bruce Reed sent a memo to party leaders arguing that Dean's efforts to energize traditional party constituencies around a populist, anti-war, and liberal message would doom the party to the fates suffered by George McGovern in 1972 and Walter Mondale in 1984. Then, at the July 2003 DLC annual conference, the DLC leadership blasted Dean and other presidential hopefuls for flirting with a “far-left” critique of the Bush administration and pointed out the political folly of attacking Bush's tax cuts and his national security leadership. Commenting on the “Democratic Weaselship Council” in Salon.com, Joan Walsh observed that the DLC was “in danger of adopting a political terror strategy involves doing the enemy's work for them: damaging your own party's candidates by declaring them ideologically flawed and unelectable” (Salon.com, July 29, 200 3).

Bunch of poll-following, focus-group listening scumbags.

It is PRO-WAR.
PRO-CORPORATION.
ANTI-WORKER.

But they say they are center. They are hardly progressive.

by 'the powers that be'. If and when we ever had a real democracy, that time is OVER.
To pretend that all we need to do is choose the correct candidate is folly.

'They' pretend that we still have a Constitution and can have an honest vote.
We believe 'they' stole the COnstitution and our vote and we can take it back.

And someone like me believes that if we just get the right people in there - who believe in what I believe in - that we can save the country and rebuild it. Who knows for sure?

If yes, that there is a chance we can save it, we then face identifying who 'they' is. That's what this thread is all about.

'They' pretend we still have a Constitution is obviously the right wing.
'They' who will help save the country is obviously in doubt and what we're talking about.

But, 'they' may be the criminals who stole the Constitution and we the victims - combined.

It ens up that we've lost trust in our leaders - we don't know who is who.
We don't know how to separate the good corporations from the corporations who send our kids to their death.
We don't know how to distinguish between organizations, foundations, think tanks who plan our demise from those who are honest in their motives and promises.

EVERYTHING appears to be a political calculation. They lack the courage of any convictions. And that, IMHO, is not leadership.

and what it stands for. Voting for any member of the DLC is like voting for a neo-con, minus it's religious convictions.

LOL. You're pretty new, aren't you? Welcome!

I am pretty new. Thanks for the welcome.

You would be surprised then when I tell you, there isn't one person I know in my personal life who knew about PNAC before I told them.

...And I'm sure they have no idea that there's a conservative, hawkish side of the democratic party.

I’m not saying I’m drawn to dummies...but, people here at DU live and breathe politics...it’s wonderful.

:pals:

DLC wants to turn the Democratic party into a submissive branch of the republican party.

that's me. I knew enough about them to recognize them during the week and on Sunday mornings corporate network shows. They are favorites of show directors - the only ones who get on the shows because they never rock the boat. You can tell a lot about Dems by the way they are received by the ultra right wing. It's like someone draws up a list of OK Dem representtives to allow on tv and the people they get all have ,DLC after their name. Biden doesn't get on just because he lives nearby.

...no DLC middleman between him and the banks in Delaware.

Drowning the Left in our Cesspool :the DLC

But then, we knew the DLC didn't give a fuck about anyone but its corporate sponsors anyway.

Who are they getting through to?

...and Hilary is their anointed candidate