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Richardo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:39 PM Original message |
"Counting to 60" - getting to the public option by stopping a GOP filibuster |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. I have been saying for some time that it is not 60 votes for the health care bill |
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Richardo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Good analysis grantcart... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. The gang of |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. The mandate to buy in the insurance forcibily will 1) either be removed or 2) heavily subsidized |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Kinda funny when you talk about "crossing the aisle". The f'in Blue Dogs don't mind crossing the |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. they will on particular issues that they don't agree with |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. They crossed on the Patriot Act, MCA, and every single thing bush* asked them too. |
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Richardo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 05:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. "It takes them off the hook" |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. There needs to be a line drawn: either support the Democratic Party and vote for cloture, |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. agree 100% but I think that the agreements have already been made. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. Why stop it? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. What's to be gained by allowing Repubs to block reform by filibuster? n/t |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Allowing the GOP to filibuster does NOT mean allowing them to block anything |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Reconciliation is not after the fact. If no Repub votes for the bill they can be challenged. n/t |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. The Republicans will filibuster when the bill gets to the floor. It is up to Dems to end it. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. And so the question becomes what will Lieberman do. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Let them filibuster a day, a week or a month until 60 votes are achieved to end debate |
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dhpgetsit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
7. They need to say the words "Up or Down Vote" every chance they get. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. You are assuming that they want to pass a bill. If you noticed they are not saying |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. How can you say up or down vote when you don't have a bill yet? |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Last year the repukes filibustered over 100 times and the Dems never mentioned up or down vote. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. And Bush would have signed? I doubt. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. No bush* wouldn't have signed. But the Dems should have forced some "up and down" votes and |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
12. Congress critters who support a Strong Public Option will be rewarded with votes; those against will |
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Richardo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
25. ...of course now we have to hope that Byrd is well enough to make the cloture vote. |
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