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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 05:00 AM
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MUST READ! - Top 10 Ways We Are Convincing Muslims We Are On a Crusade
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The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) was founded in 2005 by U.S. Air Force Academy graduate and Reagan administration White House counsel Mikey Weinstein, after the harassment his own sons faced as Jewish cadets at the Academy led him to discover that the fundamentalist Christian takeover of the Air Force Academy was far from an isolated problem. It was a military-wide issue that needed to be confronted head on. But it quickly became apparent that MRFF's initial mission of protecting the rights of our men and women in uniform was only addressing part of the problem. The evangelizing and proselytizing of Iraqi and Afghan Muslims by both private religious organizations and U.S. military personnel also had to be exposed and stopped -- particularly the materials and media available via the internet and television that could be used by extremists as propaganda for recruiting purposes.

When MRFF began exposing some of what we were finding on the internet, Weinstein was contacted by two Bush administration national security officials, one civilian and one military, confirming that the kind of stuff we were exposing was, in fact, being used as fodder for propaganda, and urging him not to stop what MRFF was doing. The most astounding thing, as you'll see in the list below, is that it's not the private religious organizations who are most at fault in spreading the crusader message, but the U.S. military itself.
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9. Have top U.S. military officers appear in a video showing just how Christian the Pentagon is
In addition to inadvertently providing propaganda material to our enemies, public endorsements of Christianity by U.S. military leaders can also cause concern among our Muslim allies.

When Air Force Maj. Gen. Pete Sutton decided in 2004 to appear in uniform at the Pentagon in the Campus Crusade for Christ Christian Embassy promotional video, a video full of government officials and high ranking military officers saying things like "we're the aroma of Jesus Christ," he probably didn't give any thought to the potential ramifications of publicly endorsing this fundamentalist religious organization. But, not long after appearing in this video, Sutton was assigned to the U.S. European Command, Ankara, Turkey, as Chief of the Office of Defense Cooperation. Here's what happened, according to the Department of Defense Inspector General's report on the Christian Embassy video investigation.

8. Plant crosses in Muslim lands and make sure they're big enough to be visible from really far away

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But now, in Iraq and Afghanistan, Gen. Schwarzkopf's common sense policies and priority of keeping the troops safe have been replaced by a flaunting of Christianity in these Muslim lands by Christian troops and chaplains who feel that nothing comes before their right to exercise their religion, even if it means putting the safety of their fellow troops at risk. Numerous reports and photos received by MRFF, like the one below, as well as photos posted on official military websites, show conspicuously displayed Christian symbols, such as large crosses, being erected on and around our military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan.


These large Christian murals were painted on the outside of the T-barriers surrounding the chapel on FOB Warhorse in Iraq. In addition to being a highly visible display of Christianity to Iraqis on the base, these photos were posted on an official military website. It is even more important that the Army regulation prohibiting displays of any particular religion on the grounds of an Army chapel, a regulation that protects the religious freedom of our soldiers by keeping chapels neutral and open to soldiers of all faiths, be strictly enforced on our bases in Iraq and Afghanistan. But, as these and other photos collected by MRFF clearly show, violations of this regulation that probably wouldn't even be tolerated on bases in the U.S. are not only tolerated but promoted on our bases in Muslim countries.

7. Paint crosses and Christian messages on military vehicles and drive them through Iraq



For those Iraqis who may not see the overt displays of Christianity on and near our military bases in their country, there have been plenty of mobile Christian messages, painted on our tanks and other vehicles that patrol their streets.

The title of Jeff Sharlet's May 2009 Harper's Magazine cover story, "Jesus killed Mohammed: The crusade for a Christian military," actually comes from one such vehicular message -- the words "Jesus killed Mohammed" painted in large red Arabic lettering on a Bradley Fighting Vehicle, drawing fire from nearly every doorway as it was driven through Samarra. Other vehicles have sported everything from the Islamic crescent overlaid with the internationally recognized red circle and slash "No" sign to crosses hanging from gun barrels. The photo below of the tank named "New Testament" was actually released by a military public relations office.
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4. Invite virulently anti-Muslim speakers to lecture at our military colleges and service academies
In June 2007, Brigitte Gabriel, founder of the American Congress for Truth and author of Because They Hate, delivered one of her typical anti-Muslim lectures at the Joint Forces Staff College (JFSC). In February 2008, Walid Shoebat, along with his fellow self-proclaimed ex-terrorists turned fundamentalist Christians, appeared at the U.S. Air Force Academy's 50th Annual Academy Assembly.

Gabriel's JFSC lecture, including the following quotes from the question and answer segment, was broadcast to the world on C-SPAN.

In answer to the question, "Should we resist Muslims who want to seek political office in this nation?," Gabriel replied:

"Absolutely. If a Muslim who has -- who is -- a practicing Muslim who believes the word of the Koran to be the word of Allah, who abides by Islam, who goes to mosque and prays every Friday, who prays five times a day -- this practicing Muslim, who believes in the teachings of the Koran, cannot be a loyal citizen to the United States of America."
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3. Have a Christian TV network broadcast to the world that the military is helping missionaries convert Muslims

Travel the Road, a popular Christian reality TV series that airs on the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN), follows the travels of Will Decker and Tim Scott, two "extreme" missionaries who travel to remote, and often dangerous, parts of the world to fulfill their two part mission to "1. Vigorously spread the gospel to people who are either cut off from active mission work, or have never heard the gospel," and "2. Produce dynamic media content to display the life of missions, and thus, through these episodic series electrify a new generation to accomplish the Great Commission."
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2. Make sure Bibles and evangelizing materials sent to Muslim lands have official U.S. military emblems on them


1. Send lots of Arabic, Dari, and Pashtu language Bibles to convert the Muslims

Worse than any English language Bibles, even those stamped with official U.S. military emblems, are the countless thousands of Arabic, Dari, and Pashtu Bibles making their way into Iraq and Afghanistan, often with the help of U.S. military personnel.

In his autobiography, It Doesn't Take a Hero, Gen. Schwarzkopf recounted his run in with Franklin Graham's organization, Samaritan's Purse -- an incident that made it clear that the Saudis' fears and complaints of Christian evangelizing were not unfounded. While some of the Saudis' fears, as the general explained, had resulted from Iraqi propaganda about American troops disrespecting Islamic shrines, the attempt by Samaritan's Purse to get U.S. troops to distribute tens of thousands of Arabic language New Testaments to Muslims was real.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/18/121931/814/Front_Page/Top_Ten_Ways_to_Convince_the_Muslims_We_re_On_a_Crusade

READ the entire article. I had no idea of all the methods used to try to convert people.

No wonder they are being fought tooth and nail by the people. People in the US are having conniptions at the thought of Muslims converting people to Islam. It's the same difference.

Get the soldiers out NOW! Not only are we in an area where we aren't wanted with a muddled strategy, but the intentions of some people for being there are endangering all of them even more. Being in a war is bad enough, but to possibly be unwittingly furthering "goals from God" is wrong on so many levels.

Court martial some damn people.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 05:20 AM
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1. This is the Holy Grail! Thnx, Grits!!!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 05:23 AM
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2. Excellent post
Thanks Grits
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 05:46 AM
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4. Bookmark this site: "Talk to Action"
Some people won't like it because it is pro-religion.
However, this is their statement of purpose:

There is an editorial framework for this site than that is different than you will find on other major blog sites, so please read this carefully: We are pro-religious equality and pro-separation of church and state. We are prochoice, and we support gay and lesbian civil rights -- including marriage equality. Therefore, debates about the validity of abortion and gay rights are off topic.

http://www.talk2action.org/

I visit here because they keep a sharp eye on fundamentalist Christians. More people should read what they post because they expose the vile nature of a lot of these people.

I am as religious as my cats, but I think these people do an invaluable service.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 05:32 AM
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3. they are still pissed off from the First crusade.. Osama Attacked the "...Crusaders and".. they dont
hate our freedom, they hate us for crusades, destroying the Ottoman Empire.. and not being Muslims mostly. Most Muslims are just work'n stiffs like us, but stuck in a black hole of theocratic Oligarchy.. very very few westerners know anything at all about Islam. did you know that the Koran isn't the major book of islam, it is the Sunnah, the Sunnah trumps all in the Koran.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 06:50 AM
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5. Everyone should read "The Looming Tower."


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But the events of Sept. 11, 2001, were in many ways less the start of a tale than the end of one, or at least the climax of one, begun many years before in many different precincts: in the middle-class suburbs of Cairo, in the mosques of Hamburg, in Jidda, in Islamabad, in the quiet university town of Greeley, Colo.

In its simplest terms, this is the story of how a small group of men, with a frightening mix of delusion and calculation, rose from a tormented civilization to mount a catastrophic assault on the world’s mightiest power, and how another group of men and women, convinced that such an attack was on the way, tried desperately to stop it.
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Just as dramatic as the portraits of bin Laden and Zawahiri is Wright’s account of the roots of Islamic militancy — the intellectual, spiritual and material world from which the plotters came. Wright draws a fascinating picture of Sayyid Qutb, the font of modern Islamic fundamentalism, a frail, middle-aged writer who found himself, as a visitor to the United States and a student at Colorado State College of Education in Greeley in the 1940’s, overwhelmed by the unbridled splendor and godlessness of modern America. And by the sex: like so many others who followed him, Qutb seemed simultaneously drawn to and repelled by American women, so free and unselfconscious in their sexuality. The result is a kind of delirium.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/06/books/review/06filkins.html

How many people know anything about just the modern roots of fundamentalist Islam? This book looks closely at the people involved.

Who knows the name Qutb?
I got a copy of his book "Milestones" to see what he was saying to the Islamic believers. It is enlightening and scary.

The book is well written and easy to read. Wright also looks closely at the people who were trying to stop the attack they knew was on the way.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 08:43 PM
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6. i will definitely read it.... but this isnt just a small group, Islam has many inherent driving
http://www.amazon.com/Looming-Tower-Qaeda-Road-Vintage/dp/1400030846/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253839902&sr=8-1

forces we are not aware of, like institutional disinformation, Muhammad directed all Muslims to lie to Infidels, like they say Islam means "Peace"... it means "Submission" in Arabic. Muhammad directed his men to seek out the unbelievers and strike their necks* where ever you find them...*refers to cutting off their heads. 80,000,000 were put to the sword just during the invasion of India.. nothing ever changes in Islam.. the koran isn't the major book, the primary book is the Sunnah ant it trumps all in the Koran, essentially reducing Allah to Muhammad's sock puppet., Muslims ate taught to emulate Muhammad, who was essentially a psychotic paranoid Narcissist. he had all the symptoms of Frontal lobe epilepsy, essentially a kind of Schizophrenia, defined by pronounced religious halucimations..narcissistic megalomania. he also had Acromegaly/tumor on the pituitary, beyond any doubt, his hyper sex addiction, OCD, physical deformities.. its all recorded in the Hidath, and Sunnah books.. read
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Muhammad-Ali-Sina/dp/0980994802/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253841754&sr=1-1

literally the most fascinating biography i've ever read.. the revelations it brings to history and current events is staggering.

they have it all sewn up.. if you present the truth, you are an Islamophobic. if you persist you can have a Fatwa issued for blasphemy, a death sentence. a Phobia is an unreasonable Fear.. we have reason to be concerned.

i am reading,
http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-Islam-Crusades/dp/0895260131/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253842223&sr=1-1
it is also excellent

the information isn't made up like glen becks lunacy, the info is directly out of the Muslim historical record.. they kept detailed records.. even how Muhammad smelled.. all considered holy words. Islam is essentially a Psychotic Narcissistic personality cult.. of a person that was totally bat shit crazy, a psychotic serial murderer, he killed even old women if he heard they said something unflattering about him, told his soldiers they could Rape and impregnate female hostages and captured slaves. he had absolutely no redeeming qualities. but he said Allah told him that Muhammad was the most perfect man ever created, that Allah actually created the entire universe just for Muhammad to rule for him.. What a Sock Puppet.. the greatist thing a Muslim man can do is emulate every aspect of Muhammad.
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