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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 10:21 PM Original message |
Dean says Senate is like a club. Says they do not understand that people are angry with them. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. ill bet dems would be much better off if howard was still DNC chair... nt |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. No, Howard Dean should primary Obama in 2012. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. He'd get my vote. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. No, the more successful he was, the more likely the Republican would win. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
68. I don't know where you get those figures from. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
100. Those numbers are not solid - they are the most conservative |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I looked at the numbers from the three-way race in 92. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. I would be skeptical |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Throwing up in the President's lap changed everything. |
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wpelb (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
69. I tend to agree with kary |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I think people want change. |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #70 |
97. Something to read I found it disturbing |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. I think it would be difficult to ice Dean out of the debates. |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:21 AM Response to Reply #99 |
106. MSNBC let people put up questions and vote the #1 vote getter was about the loss of US prestige and |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #69 |
96. Here's a link that helps your point |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
65. Yeah, by telling the truth. |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #65 |
92. Telling the truth... |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
23. I'd like that. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
37. Dean would get my vote, too. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
41. Given the choice, I'd vote for Howard. |
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dglow (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #8 |
47. Dean for President |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #8 |
57. He should have been president in 2004 |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. I actually wish at times that he would have been the candidate |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
85. My vote for Howard! |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
86. +1 |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
87. I think it will happen |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
93. Howard surely seems to understand. |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
104. The first ones that would start howling would be CNN. They have |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
2. ''The bill was basically written by the insurance industry.'' |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 10:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Indeed he did do that.....BUT |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Speaking as an early Deaniac, |
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Fridays Child (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
56. Second that! |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Dr. Dean does represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Senators empathize with one another much more than they do with their constituents. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. "The bill was basically written by the insurance industry." |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
66. Obama just wants his bipartisan dream and lacks spine |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. Dean understood iraq was a mistake and said it - he understands this health care |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
10. Down here in Florida, we're getting insurance company ads on TV. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Put him on the list . . . it's going to be a LONG list . . .!!! |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
30. Did you read or see Nelson fight for an amendment that would |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
44. Nelson has been a sellout for a long, long time. And sadly the local Dem party |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
11. Thanks, again, Howard Dean . . . working from the "outside" -- |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
12. Dean appears to be the only one who gets this. Dean wouldn't even be allowed to post |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. He would be unrecommended in a heartbeat. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Yup. I would like to hear Dean on Big Pharma. Has he said anything? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I know he thinks prices should be negotiated under Medicare, etc. |
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rucognizant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 05:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Dean........ |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
63. What I meant was "recently''. I can't remember verbatim what the recent quote was |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:28 AM Response to Original message |
18. A public option not available until 2013 will cost Dems a lot of support |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Even voluntary buy in to Medicare would require a period of |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #31 |
95. But that process does not need to be delayed until 2013 n/t |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #18 |
48. He said it just this a.m. on CNBC...said uninsured should be allowed to buy into Madicare and it |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #18 |
51. He was in favor of that. |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
19. The politicians wouldn't screw us so badly if the idiot voters stopped reelecting the jerks. nt |
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dglow (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
50. Electing jerks |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #50 |
94. Not a tax revolt, but a consumer revolt. |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
20. Ah, the House of Lords. |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
22. Gasp!!!! 'He said he believes |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:38 AM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Not a junk bill - no one defends that |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #33 |
52. If the final bill does not contain a strong public option, |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Then how would he answer: |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. The fact is |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. The problem is that the choice will be between the bill they finally arive at |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I would hope |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Most of the "NO" votes would be the Republicans |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
24. Quit sugar coating it |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
25. They are losing votes as we speak, but that isn't what we need. We need |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
88. +1, Patrice! |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
26. The counter argument is what we heard at Senator Kennedy's memorial |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Then we don't need to worry about a damn majority anymore. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. How would Howard Dean propose getting the bill he wants out of the Congress |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Then we should use our majority, not cave to the corporations. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. That's easy. Overwhelm the Senate with popular pressure. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I don't understand - from what position would he do that? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #34 |
54. I'm thinking..public revolt, General Strike, sit-ins, etc. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. If that were really where he is, why did he not do that? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. A General Strike Is not Dean's to Call...It's OURS |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. Movements usually have leaders -- just saying |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
45. This ain't Teddy's senate anymore. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I assume you mean Howard Dean |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
84. Yep. Howard, not John. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Amen! |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
27. He is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT on this - the Senate is dominated |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
29. Dean is right. They live in a cocoon. |
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western mass (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
36. No, they understand. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. "they don't care" yes, you're correct. Why should they. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
39. Old news, but yeah, Dean's right - again. Further, They are mostly all multi-millionaires. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
43. Indeed. nt |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
49. The insurance industry did write the bill. It is disgusting. Eliminate them, don't empower leeches |
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JimWis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
53. Dean is right on. They are a club, and they don't have a fucking |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Even when they do get a clue |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
59. I think they know but, they don't care. I think they feel very safe and |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
60. Agree, expect for the notion that they're somehow oblivious to the plight of the less fortunate |
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zentrum (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
72. Senate Club |
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pansypoo53219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
75. president dean in |
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marew (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. I'm with you. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
78. They had better open their |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
80. Howard Dean is awesome. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
81. So Congress is CLUELESS. Well, no surprise there. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
82. I could never understand otherwise rational people saying Dean "whooped crazy" in the incident that |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #82 |
103. That incident did not "do him in" |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
83. Yes, exactly Dr. Dean |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
89. They are too busy collecting money from lobbyists to learn about things like |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
90. Well stop using that club to bonk us in the head! |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-25-09 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
91. K & R |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
98. Too late to rec, so here's a kick instead ... |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
107. Dean! |
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