How much more is is it going to take to piss America off

Dear Comrades and Comradessess ( I realize I this is not a real word),

The game is rigged against us, sorry to break it to the few who have not figured it out. We are on the behind of the eight ball, and is rolling our way. The two party system is a joke without a punchline. Both beholden to the almighty dollar, . Of course there are exceptions, not all politicians are bad (feel free to add them to this post). I fear a seminal event approaching. It is obvious we are on the wrong side of the public discourse. I.e. letting schools decide whether to show Obama's speech, it would not even have been a question when Bush was president. I do not believe race was entirely the issue.
The democrats have been acting like appeasers for decades now. I do not need to tell you all that even though we currently hold substantial majorities in both sides of congress, and the presidency, yet we still act as if we are in the minority. I understand that we are the party of peace and understanding, but goddamn it it is time to get pissed. I know I worked my ass off to get us where we are, of course the Republicans helped. It is time to stop playing nice and start kicking ass like schoolyard bullies, that’s the way we’ve been treated by the republicans for years now.
I realize more and more that we are, as Kissinger said, useless eaters. We need to change this elitist point of view. I am asking my DU brothers and sisters to help us take democracy back. I have no clue how to do such a thing. The upper 1% control 95% of the wealth in the US. How many belong to the Democratic Underground?
I am not trying to pee on anyone’s party, but it has really struck home with this healthcare “debate.” How much more obvious is it that we have no say, in anything. Unlike the fools on the right, I realize we are being screwed, because both parties are bought and paid for. There is an answer; I just do not have it. This is my rant for right now; I reserve the right to add to it as we keep being screwed and getting and the anger continues to grow.
Everyone is welcome to contribute. This is an apolitical rant, we lefties have been arguing the same issues for years. We socialist, communist, fascist left wing conpiracists will welcome other ideas as long as they are fresh. There have to be lurkers who can contribute, or other who are reluctant to post. We are all in this together. Corporate America and the super rich vs. the rest of us, let’s face it we are never going to be on the other side. Right-wingers, focus your anger where it belongs, not with us or illegal immigrants. I am tired right now, keep this thread alive, fix the grammatical errors, fix my mistakes, and get pissed.


Peace,
Max




Edited title

The teabagggers, unfortunately, are pissed off at the wrong people. They love the folks who are pissing all over them.

ain't THAT the truth, "The teabagggers, unfortunately, are pissed off at the wrong people. They love the folks who are pissing all over them.

Peace,
Max

It is meant to be an organic document, there has to be a tipping point. By that, I mean things have to get to a point where where the right is tired of cutting of its nose to spite its face. Let's figure out how to do it.


Peace,
Max

You won't find any allies there.

You have to start from a point that the conservatives and liberals share in common .... and then cement the relationship from there, imo.

I am looking for ideas.

Peace,
Max

looking for ideas/thoughts that perverts in your own league can't conjure up themselves due to lack of understanding, creativity, and they can't get their heads out of their own pants!

I am a bleeding heart to the core. How do I prove it?


Peace,
Max

By "our" I mean the "great unwashed".


Peace,
Max

Those on the right can call it a conservative zeitgeist. I want out country back, not to take credit for doing it.

Like the citizens of France in 1789, I fear the population won't rebel until after they have been reduced to a desperate state.

The division between the "great unwashed" that is only being fed by the health care debate. I admit this is a huge issue, however it is just another distraction. I want health care for all as much as anyone. I am a bleeding heart to the core. But we need to get our country back before it is too late.

Peace,
Max

Twood be awesome if the riche were to wake up one day and find that all of their fiat investments/money was worthless......

....just *musing*

M_Y_H

We serfs on both sides of the political spectrum need to work together. That's the issue at hand, that's the start.


Peace,
Max

b/c it's backed by nothing. People across the globe are EXPERIENCING that 'real things' like food, shelter, clothing which can be BARTERED/EXCHANGED for other real services/goods.

The fiat currency is 'no good'/unbelievable/un-tradeable now.

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I'm sorry that it's come to this, but this is how it *is*.....like it or not.

I am pleading for help. If someone can change the left and right references, post it at free republic and see if any reasoned responses come in. Let's unite behind Glen Beck (just kidding. sorry if any was drinking coffee.)

He said, to paraphrase, that poverty serves as the ultimate weight loss program. It burns away the fat of apathy and makes bodies, made soft and weak by neglect and inaction, lean and hard again. It is the fire that is lit under a person's ass and makes him work to do anything to stop the pain. It is the hot coals that give the train enough power to push aside the snow that has built up over time. He said that poverty is the fuel that makes revolutions burn hot red.

These are things that I need to add to my rant. Great post.

The media is working to keep us at each others throats. As long as it is us v. them, we all get screwed.



Peace,
Max

you don't need the 'media' to do your own thinking for you, do you?

The media these days don't even deliver accurate news, for heaven's sake!

It is America's problem. Unfortunately, you have to agree, way to many people rely on the "boob tube".

When all the bullshit was killed off with the electricity in the aftermath of Katrina, the survivors all realized that all the junk on TV was irrelevant. It was just themselves to look after each other. Neighbors looked after neighbors. Friends looked after other friends, and family took care of family members.

There was no Republican, no Democrat, no liberal, no conservative. The only thing that existed in that one point in time was the desperate realization that if they did not band together, they would most assuredly either die of starvation or die of dehydration under the hot blazing sun.

I remember several small groups of survivors spontaneously set up "food distribution co-ops" where abandoned Wal-Marts and other stores were still full of canned food. They would grab the canned goods and ferry them on back or truck back to the neighborhoods they lived in and then distributed them in make-shift distribution centers, usually off the backs of those trucks.

I remember thinking that these people were practicing a form of socialism even though most of them probably did not even know what the definition of socialism is.

It took a natural disaster and government inaction to make it happen.



Peace,
Max

I know better than that now. Those were desperate days.

more like 35%.

Even the top 20% 'only' control about 85% of the wealth.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

NOT!!!! :eyes: :sarcasm:

That never stopped Fox. Not that your post is comforting, but thanks for the information. I know you are just the messenger.

The film also turns the spotlight on some under reported gems: an internal Citibank report happily declaring America a "plutonomy," with the top 1 percent of the population controlling more financial wealth than the bottom 95 percent; an expose of "dead peasant" insurance policies that have companies cashing in on the untimely deaths of their employees; and amazing footage of FDR, found buried in a film archive and not seen in decades, calling for a Second Bill of Rights that would guarantee all Americans a useful job, a decent home, adequate health care, and a good education.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/barack-obama-must-see-mic_b_293407.html

and that fits what I said. The top 1% have about 35% of the wealth. The top 20% have about 85% of the wealth. That means that the bottom 80% have only 15% of the wealth. 35% >>> 15%. Although the other charts at my link showed the bottom 95% having 40% of the wealth which is a little more than the top 1%.

You see this is what happens whenever you get into a discussion with the pub. (not you!)

You end up in a situation as to who has the correct facts. Who has a better news source. Who should be believed?

If the top 1% do not control 95%...

Do you not think they would be all over Mike's movie 24/7? They finally found a questionable fact!

I guess we will see...


on edit ... Who am I to say one way or another? I only know what I see and read. Maybe your stats are correct.

But I have been hearing this so many times..

check the link I posted, that link is from some sociology department and uses (I believe) census bureau statistics. The two sets of statistics are not the same, for one thing.

One statement said
"the top 1% control 95% of the wealth"

the other one said
"the top 1% have more financial wealth than the bottom 95%"

Financial wealth vs. wealth - two different things. My wealth is first, my house, then my land in Wisconsin, then my IRA account, then my savings account, then my stocks, and my pension, etc. Generally my $5,000 worth of books and $1,000 worth of DVDs, my two computers, my car, my laptops, my TV and VCR, my record collection, etc. are held to be almost worthless because if they were auctioned or otherwise liquidated, they would bring pennies on the dollar. For the non-rich, most of their wealth is in their home equity.

Secondly, the one stat is looking at how much the top 1% controls and the other is looking at how much they control compared to some other group. If you look at my link, there is a pie chart for financial wealth. If memory serves it says that the top 1% control 42% of the financial wealth. The next 1% control 20% and the next 1% control 12% and the next 1% control 7% and the next 1% control 5%, leaving just 14% for the bottom 95% (I am quite sure those numbers are wrong, since I am guessing from memory to make an example).

Even though both contain the percentages 1 and 95, the first statement is false and the second one is true.

But I know what you mean... when will we get our money back from that 1% who STOLE it.

Obama just struck a major blow at nuclear proliferation with Russia and China on board at the UN. People do not realize he probably just saved the world.

In my world that fat lady just has not sung yet ...even with global warming..and although there are days in seems its all heading down the drain "big picture wise" I find solace in some of the late night comedy that nails them to the wall as well as DU and other sites.

Not to mention Mike's new movie that will certainly piss them off.

Our only chance at revolution is political. You can see Obama and others trying to start to reign in the FED.. I am guessing is baby steps are all that's possible.

We will get there... it may get a bit bumpy but I believe it. We outnumber them.

And it's going to be a bumpy one.

There are those of us that can see big giant devastating tornadoes coming. Store up bottled water. Get pv panels. Learn to farm ..etc...

And those that do not.


I live somewhere in between. Depends on the day.

thou diggeth thine own grave with the harm you are inflicting on yourself. there is no cure for freeperism unless it involves money under the following conditions: a) it was stolen from starving family and b) let their own community bring then down. How you ask? Simple i say - circulate one dollar bills with Che Guevara on one side and Molotov on the other. By the time they have figured out who or what a molotov is they will all have died of cirrhosis of the liver.
So cheer up Max - we will win in the end when the middle east, southern USA and most of Africa have simply packed up and left to go home to Aldoran where toilet paper is the shakespeare of their intellectual world.

You are a wise one. But, can't you use that knowledge to bullshit us and make everything OK.


Peace.
Max

nay tis quite simple really. Initiate a conversation with a baptized freeper, and lay on the layers of lies they themselves invented. After awhile you will notice a certain glassiness of the eye, a drooling from the lower lip, and the shaking of the head as they prepare to charge. And when they do, you deftly side step and yell out 'VIVA CHE!!!" He may then be cut into delicious slices of steak and sold in San Francisco, Boston or other bastions of liberlism.

Just lie and make us feel better. It works for the freepers.


Peace,
Max

Sadly this has been the case for most of human history. Now the game is really rigged with 24 hour "news".

Just FYI: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=uc+berkeley+walkout&search_type=&aq=f -- I can't remember the last on-campus demonstration anywhere near this size. In SF, certainly, in the lead-up to the war. But this one at UC today was directly related to the Regents decision to substantially increase tuitions while simultaneously making cutbacks. http://www.mercurynews.com/alamedacounty/ci_13411072 I was there and it was a little bit like old times, for me. I'd begun to feel I was living in the aftermath of a take over of the pod-people or something. JEBITZ, someone finally got pissed off enough about SOMETHING to get all het' up about it.

We should ALL be in the damn streets about this whole stinking mess. It isn't going to change until WE change it because the top-down system isn't OUR system. And as for voting -- we all know its who counts the votes that counts. But, even if we did have fair and verifiable elections, there is still the whole issue of campaign finance. He who pays the piper calls the tune and all that. This Republic is a friggn' mess -- and its been a mess for a long time. But what blows my mind is it has gotten worse rather than better over the course of my life-time. You're right, of course, this isn't a "right/left" issue, fundamentally. Not to say there aren't fundamental differences between the right and the left. There are. But when you have an oligarchy who likes to play these two off one another and controlling much of both, maybe it is time to reframe the discourse.

ETA: Mario said it all on the same UC Berkeley steps back in December, 1964: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcx9BJRadfw