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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:37 AM
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Shrinking The Tent
Edited on Fri Sep-25-09 07:44 AM by babylonsister
Oopsie. Seems like the rethugs are heading for a cliff...


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/09/shrinking-the-tent.html#more

Shrinking The Tent


David Frum continues his debate with David Horowitz:

I speak out against people like Palin, Limbaugh and Beck because in my estimation they do enormous harm to the causes in which I believe. In my view, the talk-and-Fox complex marginalizes Republicans – and backs us into demagogic and unsustainable political positions. David, do you really want to abolish the Federal Reserve? Do you think the United States should have allowed Merrill Lynch, Bank of America, Wells Fargo and other banks to follow Lehman into bankruptcy in October 2008? Do you think that any cuts to Medicare amount to a death panel for grandma? Do you think we can sustain an adequate military – never mind finance future tax reductions – if we allow healthcare to continue rising from its current 16% of GDP to a projected 20% of GDP a decade from now if nothing changes?

I can’t believe you do. And if you don’t believe these things, is it not dangerous to have talk-and Fox whipping a couple of million conservatives into frenzy over things that are not true?


David has ammunition in the latest NYT poll. It shows some cooling on Obama - but only from ridiculously high levels. But the verdict on Republicans is devastating:

76 percent said Republicans had not even laid out a clear health care plan. And by a lopsided margin, respondents said that Mr. Obama and not Republicans had made an effort to cross party lines and strike a deal that has the support of both parties. ... Nearly two-thirds of respondents said they believed Republicans in Congress were opposing Mr. Obama’s bill only for political gain, rather than because they believed it was bad for the country; just over half said Democrats in Congress backed the bill for political reasons.

Just 30 percent said they had a favorable view of Republicans in Congress. By contrast, 47 percent said they had a favorable view of Congressional Democrats.


In stoking the base, the GOP has persuaded the center that they are not a serious party interested in governing.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:45 AM
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1. Recommended. This post and the accompanying material helps define the
difficulty the Republican Party is likely to have moving forward.

If you repel the moderates of either party, you can't govern and eventually can't hold seats up and down the ballot.

The louder the nutbags squawk about stem cell research, the Ten Commandments in the classroom, and gay marriage, the greater the gains by the Madison-Jefferson wing of the republic.

In the web age of electoral politics, George Allen can't use terms like "macaca" and get away with, and he did use that term and he did not get away with it. A far better Senator sits in that seat right now.

In aligning with the crazies and religious nutbags, the GOP has locked itself in the shithouse.

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:45 AM
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2. A Schism Up Ahead...
The other day I heard someone on the radio discussing how there are two rushpublican parties...the loud and the silent one. The loud we all know...Dreck, Limbo, Bachmann and the usual cast of crazies. The silent are those like Frumm and the "regular party" types...the careerists who saw the GOOP go from full control in 2006 to the exact opposite 2 1/2 years later. They see the crazies chasing away the moderates and many of the "regulars" don't see the crazies as "real rushpublicans"...they only tolerated them for their votes but now they have been overtaken by the monster they helped unleash.

Despite all the bluster, the GOOP is in dire straits going into 2010...with the crazies calling the party's agenda and the "regulars" forced to the edges and having to defend the crazies. It's a recipe for a real disaster should the party continue to head off the cliff and not make any serious gains next year. There's a long due "accounting" due in that party...put off the excesses of the booosh years and it could rip the GOOP apart. If the "regulars" push the crazies out, it could lead to a third party that will destroy the party. Let the crazies continue to run the show and never win a national election.

Bottom line is their "regulars" are the real political wimps. No spine, no conviction, just the craven need/desire for money and power. It's led them to coop their party to the extremes with little will or ability to reign in those who are helping completely destroy the party.

Couldn't happen to a bunch of bigger losers.

:hi:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:49 AM
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3. Republicon party going AWOL
AWOL is one of their perverted, diaper-clad Family Values.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:50 AM
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4. Republicon party going AWOL
AWOL is one of their perverted, diaper-clad Family Values.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:55 AM
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5. Plus it will be very difficult saving the brain from the tumor.
It will take the best doctors they've got, and they ain't got no good doctors. Palin is vacuously stupid. Romney is slobberingly ambitious. Huckabee is Sunday-school charming on the outside and batshit insane on the inside -- as crazy and as slick as Falwell ever was.

Pawlenty looks and sounds like he's running for class treasurer of his middle school.

Jindal is politically clueless and unsettling in that "Ya know, I'm an exorcist" sort of way.

The Republican brain wasn't that big or functional in the first place. The far-Right tumor consuming it looks to be in control at the moment.

Best to sit the family down out in the lobby and have a little chat.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:06 AM
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6. Hahaha! I love your descriptions of the "leaders" of the future of
the GOP! :D

:fistbump:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:06 AM
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7. 'mornin' to ya, babylonsister!
:hi:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:51 AM
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14. Hi, saltpoint!
I hope your basement is well stocked! But they do seem to be imploding when the likes of Frum can write this scathing critique.

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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:28 AM
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8. "Pawlenty looks and sounds like he's running for class treasurer of his middle school. "
:rofl:

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Brilliant characterization, my good man.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:31 AM
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9. 'mornin', sir. Good to see ya 'round these parts.
:hi:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:39 AM
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12. Back at ya.
Haven't had time to hang around much here, but it's great to know that when I do, I can find quippery of this high order.
Hope you're well!

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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:31 AM
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10. That's a great way of looking at it old friend.
I love that knack you have with words.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:33 AM
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11. Hey rocky. Truth is, I'm h iding in the basement, afraid to come out until
the last dozen or so advertizers pull ads from Beck's show.

:hi:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:43 AM
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13. Lol!
Make room buddy :hi:!
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