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tinkerbell41 Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:34 AM
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Can anyone explain the Czar thing???
I don't get it. I keep hearing Czar's mentioned or seeing it in print. Why the uproar? What does it mean? I get some part that Obama has appointed A Czar to something, is this a made-up so called bogeyman???
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:35 AM
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1. It's a media word meaning someone appointed to head up something.
They did the same thing with Shrub, but nobody paid much attention.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:38 AM
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6. Furthermore...
Using "czar" was first done by the Nixon administration. Funny how they forget that, eh?
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:36 AM
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2. Something about cabinet level position and power
Given to people who are not confirmed by congress.

It started back under FDR with temporary positions.

Kinda morphed to permanent ones these days.

That's the gist as I see it now.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:37 AM
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3. It's definition drift.
When a Republican appoints a Czar it's to fix a problem. You know, like drugs.

When a Democrat appoints a Czar it's like "Autocrat of All Russias"
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:48 AM
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15. And of course Communist - since Russia is the land of Commies. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:52 AM
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18. Yeah, but in Russia - the communists killed the czar
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 09:01 AM
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19. So you are saying that the communists had a relation with the czar? It all fits together n/t
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:38 AM
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4. Short name for a long title.
E.g., the Drug Czar is really the Head of Drug programs, Special Action Office of Drug Abuse Prevention. Easier isn't it?

Everything else you hear is bullshit.
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tinkerbell41 Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:46 AM
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11. Ah
So it has been made into a bogeyman term. Jesus! It's like this ACORN thing, never heard of them now suddenly it's like they are the be all end all to every problem. The name is on everyone's lips, my brother (who has no clue about current events) sends me a news clip about ACORN. WTF??
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:38 AM
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5. No. No one can. Ask Glen Beck, he's got a blackboard.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:41 AM
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7. Another Bright Shiny Toy...
Another talking point, another meme...another boogie man for hate radio and faux noise to throw to the parallel univerese. It means little to anyone with an common sense.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:42 AM
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8. it's a code word - signalling to those "in the know" about Obama's
continuing support of communism . . . .

Learned that from Beck.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:47 AM
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12. Beck Must Have His History Confused...
the Bolsheviks had a very different take on the Czars.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 09:37 AM
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20. no doubt beck is confused . . . about most things
Did you see Keith last night - he (beck) was supporting the constitutional tax on importation of slaves . . . his is plain nuts
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:43 AM
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9. It is like ACORN a whole bunch of stuff about nothing.
The first czar was under Nixon and many Presidents have had them since then. And also too (props to S. Palin)
the communists forced out the czars in Russia so when people yell that Obama is a socialist they are dead wrong.


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,908276,00.html
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tinkerbell41 Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:47 AM
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13. See 11
I just realized it. Kind of thought that was it.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:44 AM
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10. This explains it pretty well
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6558562
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tinkerbell41 Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:49 AM
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16. Thanks
Love it, now I see.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:47 AM
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14. Coined by Nixon, embraced by Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, but they are Obama's fault.
He apparently time-traveled to FDR's time to start the practice.

Obama can do ANYTHING!
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 12:15 PM
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23. Was actually coined by the press in FDR's time.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:51 AM
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17. Based on the Drug Czar's results over 40 years, I would say
they either do nothing or give aid and comfort to those they are supposed to oppose.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 09:43 AM
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21. They were monarchs in Russia and Bulgaria
The last Russian czar, Nicholas II, abdicated power in 1917 as a result of the February Revolution. He and his family were then executed by Bolsheviks a year later. It is still a matter of speculation whether some of his family members survived and lived in exile.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 09:45 AM
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22. It's like they were abducted for the entire Reagan era - drug czar. We were pounded
with it. Everytime a new one was named, it made the news. Every person who held the position was on the news for propaganda purposes.

Hey, Mr and Mrs Foxlovers - there is no Secretary of Drugs. But there is an appointee who has been given that nickname. Drug czar.

There have been commies in the White House for decades if you believe that Czar is commie.

Wake up. Pay attention.

Why can't Democrats become more organized to fight the head buried crowd.
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Dude_CalmDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 12:18 PM
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24. Bob Cesca does a pretty good job.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-impeachment-of-presid_b_297330.html
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 12:40 PM
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25. Recent activity sounds like a new talking point
created by people like Frank Luntz or others to
criticize any appointment of special adviser by
Obama. Wordsmiths like Luntz are at work in
creating negativity with use of the word "czar."
Like he did with "death tax." Phony non-issue
issues that capture attention of the media and
non-thinking segments of the public.
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