Supreme Prejudice: Scalia Says Government Can Promote Religion

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/24/111742/739


The U.S. Supreme Court is gearing up to come back into session Oct. 5, and just in time for that, Justice Antonin Scalia has decided to pop off in the media about how much he hates church-state separation - again!

In what is billed as an "Historic Exclusive Interview" in the Brooklyn-based Orthodox Jewish newspaper Hamodia, Scalia attacks one of the core concepts of church-state separation - the idea that government must remain neutral between religion and non-religion.

To Scalia, this is all stuff and nonsense. He believes the government should be able to prefer religion. Government neutrality on religious matters, he says, "is not an accurate representation of what Americans believe."

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Scalia denies that his personal religious views have influenced the way he votes, but then he cuts loose with this gem: "There is a quote attributed to various people from Bismarck down to Charles de Gaulle. I prefer to attribute it to Charles de Gaulle because it sounds like him. `God protects,' he said, `little children, drunkards and the United States of America.' I think it may be true. And the reason may be because we honor Him as a nation. We invoke Him in our country, our Presidents invoke Him, my court open its sessions with `God save the United States.' Those things are not insignificant."

Unfortunately, the entire interview is not online. I shudder to think what else it might contain.
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having a religously insane man on the Supreme Court is beyond dangerous for us all.

may he fall down

It's the monstrous beliefs of the self-styled "Christians" that terrify me.

See Leviticus, Deuteronomy.

He reiterated all the cruel stuff in the OT.
I have no use for a psychotic cruel mass-murdering god of the OT, or a psychotic Jesus of the NT.

All that hatred and condemnation is also in the NT, for those who rant about a "New Covenant".


Just a few examples from Matthew:

# Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

# Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

# Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30

# Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

# Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19

# "The children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12

# Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21

# Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32

# Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15

# Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

# Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28

# Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

# Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

# Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

# Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

# Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9

# "And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34

# In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13

# Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

# God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51

# The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30

# Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41

# Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46

1. Go more Mainstream, look at movies like Passion of the Christ, Left Behind books, Vegietales, no more hiding. I'm writing a christian fiction book to have fun telling a story and get out the word in a not so forceful way.

2. Get over the gays, really I don't see God saying NO to a christian gay man just for that one thing. We're all different.

3. Stop the doom and gloom stuff. Look at people like Joel Osteen, lets get more positive

4. Don't force your beliefs. If they want to join us, they will come at their own time.

5. The last, but not least, everyone doesn't have the same belief system even if your a christian. My mom believes you have to be perfect to get to heaven, I don't, but we still believe in the same God

These 5 things can help the faltering religion. I'm a proud christian, but I'm not going to judge you because you aren't. Come on now.

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. --Mohandas Gandhi

:sarcasm:

See how inflammatory and hateful that was?

The greatest threat to America is the group of elite "malefactors of great wealth" (as TR described them) that have been fucking with this country since its inception.

that have a huge following of ignorant sheep?

Hardly inflammatory, given how often the christian morans of our country spew that crap.


on edit: After crying wolf 150 times, and being wrong, people tend to ignore the person shouting.
Hearing this 150 times, and them still being wrong, tends to make us ignore the person shouting.

analogy is a HUGE FUCKING FAIL!!

to their RW counterparts.

Not a fail.

But that is not really ok to say is it...

Christianity is just one more belief system, no better or worse than many others. It is a certain faction of Christians who have twisted the religion into a political stance it was never meant to be.

These are people who don't understand that faith is about how you live your own life, not how you make others live theirs.

Doesn't he consider himself a strict constructionist?

So the Constitution would include religious guidelines for government, if such had been intended?

Fat Tony has to go to a dead Frenchman to find a basis for his idiocy???

How can anybody take him seriously? How can he take himself seriously? How in the name of sweet reason did this clown ever get onto our Supreme Court?

That man's mind is slipping faster than a greased pig on a playground slide.

This is the same good 'Christian' who gleefully supports the execution of innocents as long as they were (wrongly) convicted after a 'fair' trial.

He should be impeached and removed from the bench due to obvious mental illness.

His court???

Assbag!

Rather the govt should be open to all beliefs, including the belief that not everyone believes in God or follows a traditional "religion".

Seeing as how the large majority of Americans are religious though and believe in God, it is certainly the government's right to recognize this of their citizens and to celebrate it as accepted by the majority of them.

the majority religion?

And are you saying that government is promoting non-religion?

:shrug:

When they all agree on THAT, then we can talk about government promoting it.

all religions is not the equivalent of supporting the majority religion. Neutrality towards religion protects all religions from government interference or government support where strings are often attached. Those who believe otherwise often do so because they believe their religion will be supported. But, should the Moslem religion become the majority religion do you want to see Sharia law here? Women having to cover up? What if the religion breaks into competing sects and the government has to choose between or among them and religious wars break out among the citizens? Or having to follow another religion's dictates that dancing is a sin? No divorce? From the snake charmers, a snake in every house? Restrictions on diets based on religion? Keeping religion out of politics makes it safer for all of us and allows for more freedom not less IMHO.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

and that's all there is to it.

And prayer only.

he ought to appreciate that.

There are way too many Catholics on the Court....far outnumbering the population's percentage.

I wish he would just go away.

exercise thereof..."

Ring a bell, Nino?

I think he'd be singing a different tune if we decided to put "In Moloch We Trust" on the money.

The Supreme Court Justices all take oaths to protect the Constitution. This asshat just said he wants to KNOWINGLY DISOBEY a MAJOR part of the Constitution. I think that's grounds for impeachment. What if a Supreme Court Justice openly admitted to wanting to repeal the entire Bill of Rights?

By the way, where are the Republicans on this one? Where is THEIR fomenting outrage? THEY'RE the ones who despise nothing more than.........Activist Judges who legislate from the bench. Well, here you go, mouth-breathers. Here's an Activist Judge openly admitting his desire to undermine THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. When shall I expect Fox News and all the right-wing screamers to start mobilizing the masses against Antonin Scalia? Come on, O'Reilly; send your bully squad to his chamber doors. Come on Beck, organize a couple-thousand-person march on Washington calling for his resignation. You DO realize that if you do nothing about this, you'll just be exposing yourselves as the hypocrites you are.

on the Supreme Court? I hate this fuck face with a passion.

The clear meaning of "God protects little children, drunkards and the United States of America" is that some people are so clueless they'd drown in their own shit if they didn't have a higher power looking out for them.

It's got nothing to do with "honoring Him as a nation" -- unless you think that two-year-olds and alcoholics are also notable for their piety.

So either Scalia is half a step from being brain-dead, or he's so puffed up with his own pride that he can't even recognize a particularly well-turned insult when it's staring him in the face.

Or both.

that because someone is highly intelligent, they aren't always very smart................. :shrug:

I guess he only believes that when it works within his realm of insanity, when it doesn't he can just make up shit.

I wish this fucking asshole mafia don would get impeached.

I didn't think anyone else even knew who Maynard Ferguson was. My favorite jazz musician by a mile.

Only got to see him live once myself.

religion/state issues. his bias is clearly prejudicial.

From one Eye-talian American to a nutter, Ah Fanabala! Perechico, but why don' you go take a long walk off the Guinea Gangplank? You ain't worth ugats to nobody, you fucking jadrool!

as someone who watched the Guinea Gangplank being built and who grew up in its shadow, thank you for your trip down the Memory Lane of my childhood. i could curse fluently in Italian by 5th grade.

and i share your sentiments.


Bobby Bacala and The Guinea Gangplank

:hi:

oh and what the hell, one for the road...

Mannaggia la miseria! Ooh, now that one takes me back. :evilgrin: