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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 12:41 PM
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Kent Conrad: Government-Run Plan Doesn’t Fit Our “Culture”



Yeah, the *culture* of sweaty, pudgy-bodied mushrooms in the lobbyist-run laboratory known as Congress.



Some snippets of any given day in the life of Kent Conrad:



Kent Conrad: Government-Run Plan Doesn’t Fit Our “Culture”

By: Jon Walker Friday September 25, 2009
September 25, 2009


Sen. Kent Conrad has come up with a new argument against the public option. When asked by Ezra Klein, why he opposes a public option he said, he doesn't “think a government-run plan best fits this culture.”

I would be very curious to know how Sen. Conrad came to his conclusion. Just today a new NYT/CBS News poll was released showing that 65% of Americans favor creating a Medicare-like public option open to everyone.

Government administered health insurance programs are not a foreign concept in this country. There are currently tens of millions of Americans who are currently very satisfied with the coverage they get from our country's existing government-run plans (Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, VA system).

If Sen. Conrad meant to say that a government-run plan doesn't best fit the Washington, DC, culture of high-paid corporate lobbyists, I would be inclined to agree with him. Out in the rest of America, where people are struggling with the crushing cost of health care, most Americans think the idea would fit our culture just fine.







Conrad: I Only Trust The CBO When They Agree With Me

By: Jon Walker Tuesday September 22, 2009


Throughout this entire health care reform debate, Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND) has been the biggest advocate of the CBO. He demanded that CBO score health care reform over ten years. He also demanded the CBO must examine the bill and conclude that it would not increase the deficit over the next 20 years.

Yet, when the CBO disagrees with him, he had no problem simply ignoring their findings. Conrad has been pushing his idea of co-ops despite the growing evidence that they would have little or no effect. When the Star Tribune asked Conrad if he agreed with CBO director Doug Elmendorf's conclusion that, "They seem unlikely to establish a significant market presence in many areas of the country," Conrad answered:

I do not agree with the Mr. Elmendorf's assessment on co-ops. Based on the advice of leading actuaries, we are providing enough federal seed money for these co-ops to insure 12 million Americans.


I think this should be defined as the new Conrad CBO Standard. It is the belief by Kent Conrad that everyone must follow the conclusions of the CBO, unless the CBO disagrees with Kent Conrad.




OOOOps, don't look now, Kent.



CBO Tells Blue Dogs That The Public Option Will Save $$$$$

By: slinkerwink Thursday September 24, 2009


The Congressional Budget Office just said that a public option based on Medicare reimbursement rates would save the government hundreds of millions dollars in comparison to a public option that would have to individually negotiate reimbursement rates with medical providers. This goes against the Blue Dogs's so-called fiscal conservatism in opposing a robust public option. Here's more from this story below:

The Congressional Budget Office dealt Blue Dogs a blow Thursday by notifying House Democrats that tethering a public option to Medicare reimbursement rates would save the government $110 billion more than a public option in which the government has to negotiate rates with doctors and other health care providers.



The initial projections showed the difference between the two was $65 billion. But this shows it would cost the government a lot more money to heed moderate demands.

House Democrats need to trim as much as $200 billion from a bill that most estimates peg at $1.1 trillion in order to meet President Obama's $900 billion target.


An actual robust public option saves money, and it's what the majority of constituents in districts like Rep. Mike Ross's district supports. Will Rep. Mike Ross actually listen to what the CBO says, or act like Senator Kent Conrad in dismissing the CBO's projections about the public option?

Once again, please keep on donating to our fund for the ad we're running in Arkansas against Rep. Mike Ross! We're just almost a thousand dollars away from meeting our goal of $78,000!




Scoring Single-Payer

By Ezra Klein
September 22, 2009


Speaking of CBO scores, the agency is also scoring H.R. 676, John Conyer's single-payer proposal. This is a byproduct of the deal Waxman and Pelosi struck with the House Progressive Caucus to allow the bill a full floor vote. In order to do that, it needs a CBO score. And it's going to get one. I'm really looking forward to seeing those numbers.





Same here.



Just so we don't forget, Conrad is up before the voters again in '12.





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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 12:42 PM
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1. What culture? Senators are all rich elites. They hate American culture. nt
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 12:44 PM
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2. Culture of bacteria? I dunno. But if they hate government, why are they running it?
Edited on Fri Sep-25-09 12:45 PM by Deja Q
Also, with corporations whining on health care costs, single payer, public option, and the rest - how's that going to hurt THEIR cultures, which are comparatively real and don't deserve heckling?

Edited: clarity
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 12:46 PM
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3. I no longer believe that those in power are "the best and the brightest..."
Edited on Fri Sep-25-09 12:57 PM by KansDem
...our nation has to offer.

I really irritates me when buffoons get cushy-government jobs with six-digit salaries and all the perks, including stellar health-care, and a make comments like this one.

on edited: added an "and"
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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 12:51 PM
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4. They were "good fits", and that's all that matters.
You'd better stop me, or I'll start ranting and raving about hiring processes.

But I'd jump for joy if it would make millions of discouraged unemployed make the connection.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 12:52 PM
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5. Republicans have ONE job when they get elected to federal office:
monkeywrenching the system. They are expected to fuck things up so that they can claim gubmint doesn't work and shouldn't exist.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:06 PM
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6. Um huh? Medicare and the VA are not our "culture"?
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MonteLukast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:09 PM
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7. It's not the SENATE'S culture.
Did you read the thread from Madfloridian on the front page, about Howard Dean? It's more important that the Senators get along-- that they keep their social network healthy-- than that our country be healed.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:12 PM
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8. Yeah, I did. Just a good old boys club where membership in good standing
is more important than legislating for the interest of the people.

I am grateful to Dr Dean for keeping his voice out there on this.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:14 PM
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9. maybe he's so mis-informed he doesn't know: Medicare, Medicaid, both part of our culture
for many many years.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:15 PM
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10. Corporate Culture, & The National $ecurity State
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:21 PM
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11. Must be awfully comfy inside the Beltway bubble...
...as people continue to die and/or go broke as a result of this "market-based solution" (thanks to Newt Gingrich for the phrase). Way too many in Congress neither know nor care about what's going on in the country.

Like ALL of the Rs, Conrad is part of the problem. Apparently, insurance lobby money/fellatio is quite effective at assuaging one's "conscience".

Not part of the culture? Tell that to the VA and Medicare/Medicaid recipients. Conrad's a jackass.

:thumbsdown:
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:54 PM
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16. Yeah, apparently it suits the inside-the-beltway culture of government-provided healthcare
Maybe Conrad is talking about the culture that believes the Grand Canyon is only 6,000 years old? I wonder what kind of healthcare plan Fred Flintstone had for falls off of dinosaurs.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:30 PM
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12. Of course, 'our culture' refers to 'corporate culture'. nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:34 PM
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13. +1
They have been spending millions trying to convince us that "corporate culture" = "American culture." I can only hope that more people realize how untrue that is.
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woofless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:49 PM
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14. You have to credit his loyalty.
He stays bought.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:53 PM
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15. He means that he can't get campaign contributions from a government public option. (n/t)
.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:10 PM
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17. Hey Kent: Traitorous Corporate Taint-Lickers Don't Fit Our "Culture".
2012 can't come soon enough. Let's send this shitbag packing.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:12 PM
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18. C*nt Conrad's Co-ops don't fit our culture.
Hey dickhead insurance corporate whore, why don't you try reading the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, or for that matter, even the Bible. You know, the very documents that right wing tools like yourself are always telling us that "our culture" is supposedly based on?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:13 PM
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19. The cultures of have and have-not.
Clearly, we know which one Conrad favors.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:31 PM
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20. The corprat psychopath culture. Yep. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:32 PM
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21. actually I think crossing the aisle to support a filibuster doesn't "fit our culture"
Anything else is just BS
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:36 PM
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22. Of course it doesn't fit into YOUR culture
of reactionary elitists that make up that country club called the US Senate.


However, tell that a Government Run plan doesn't fit into our culture to the over 100 million Americans who are currently on Medicare, Medicaid, S-CHIP, Tricare, and using the VA. I think they will beg to differ (at least once most of the morans that use these systems have an epiphany and realize they a are in effect socialists utilizing government health care)
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:37 PM
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23. Senator, did Medicare fit our culture? many at the time argued it didn't, but it's still here
and it's necessary just as a public plan is.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:38 PM
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24. Another tumor to be excised: DONATE TO ANYONE RUNNING AGAINST CONRAD
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:41 PM
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25. Code for "it would help non-rich people".
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