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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:23 PM
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Poll question: Do you enjoy Michael Moore's movies?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:25 PM
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1. Michael Moore needs a strong editor
The movies I've seen are walking a fine line between being good and being annoying, and I think they would be helped by someone occasionally telling the man "no."
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:45 PM
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14. No-Moore does not need a better editor. He should not pretty up the truth. nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 09:59 PM
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16. What constitutes the "truth?"
:shrug:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 10:31 PM
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19. Facts
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:02 PM
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38. Nah - you don't *bother* answering idiocy like that.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 03:59 PM
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42. Thanks for calling my legitimate gripes with MM idiocy
:eyes:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 04:26 PM
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43. Clarification: I was only responding to the litcridiotic statement "What constitutes the "truth?""
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 04:35 PM
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44. I was responding to the person above me
I'm not a litcridiot (but I like the word!).

I think that Moore shows many partial truths, and one-sided truths. I wouldn't call his movies Truth (with a capital t). Hence my "What constitutes the "truth?""

Partial truths have a time and a place, but I think a good film partner could turn Moore's partial truths into deeper truths.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 04:39 PM
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45. :) Either I or one of my philosophical cohorts came up with it at a bar back in phd school...
The term serves well, I think.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 04:40 PM
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46. I don't know that there is any truth with a "capital " any more, anyway


I think that Moore has a certain documentary/commentary style to his movies (don't know the proper name for the style) and that's what has made him popular- people like his off-hand, hand-camera, film-student-type approach.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:00 PM
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36. (facepalm)
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 10:38 PM
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21. I've seen all of his movies and think he's a genius
I don't see how an editor could make them any better.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:26 PM
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2. They can be a little over the top at times, but I will not criticize him.
I <3 Michael. He pulls no punches.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:26 PM
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3. they are some of the most mind boggling movies i';ve ever seen
Edited on Fri Sep-25-09 06:29 PM by pitohui
i love his movies and every time i think he can't "top" himself, he finds another way to do it, such as the trip to gitmo in "sicko" where "we just want the same care the evildoers get"

THAT was film making

i don't know if there is another film maker on his level working, maybe lynch, maybe herzog

the man is a genius hidden under a baseball cap

even if you didn't like the message, i don't know how you can dislike the images and the imagination that goes into these...

what other movie maker could snatch documentary of the year away from "winged migration" AND MAKE YOU LIKE IT????
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:33 PM
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5. that was my favorite part of SIcko "we just want the same
Edited on Fri Sep-25-09 06:33 PM by jonnyblitz
care the evildoers get" :rofl:

I remember seeing "Roger and Me" when it came out back in '89 or '90 or whenever it was. I will never forget the rabbit lady in "Roger and Me" :scared:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 10:40 PM
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22. You'll love his new movie
I saw it a week ago at a film festival. I am still thinking about it and am going back to see it again when it opens in theaters.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:27 PM
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4. I enjoy all of Michael Moore's Movies
including "Canadian Bacon"



"ITS TIME WE PUT AMERICA, BACK IN NORTH AMERICA! GOD BLESS BUD BOOMER, YEAHHH!!!!!
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:35 PM
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6. Love all of them
And look forward to future works. Also like his books.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:39 PM
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7. Michael Moore isn't a journalist, he's an entertainer.
As the product of an entertainer, I generally enjoy his movies.

However, they should not be confused with documentaries.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 10:20 PM
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18. Then why are his movies always nominated for Best Documentary?
NOT Best Drama or Best Comedy?

He IS a documentarian. He has never been sued, because he tells the truth and makes sure his lawyers check everything thoroughly. If he had been sued for libel, your characterization would be accurate.

Some people just don't like the truth the way he tells it.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:52 AM
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26. He "tells the truth" in the same way Glenn Back does.
Moore's movies are embellished truth. He sensationalizes issues.

Beck hasn't been sued, either, for precisely that reason. His broadcasts are inflammatory versions of "truths".
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 10:42 PM
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24. He makes very entertaining documentaries
and he does it quite well.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:40 PM
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8. Yes, and he's a terrific contributor to his community, as well.
He's just a great guy in northwest lower Michigan, where he lives. Devoted to his community. His film festival is the best.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 06:43 PM
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9. Yes, all except the rabbit killing scene in Roger & Me
and I have not seen Canadian Bacon, so I can't comment on that one.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:43 PM
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13. He made a small doc called "Pets or Meat: The Return to Flint"
It was all about the woman, Rhonda Britton, who raised the rabbits.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 10:01 PM
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17. It always amazed me that people said the worst, most offensive part of that movie was a rabbit was
Edited on Fri Sep-25-09 10:01 PM by Brickbat
killed.
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alc Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 07:34 PM
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10. like him on the talk shows
Don't like the movies but I like that I get to see him a lot more when one is released.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:34 PM
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11. He's an artist.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:35 PM
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12. The only one I liked was Canadian Bacon.
OK, and Roger and Me, but less so.

And TV Nation.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 08:49 PM
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15. I think that his movies
are fantastic. I have nothing but respect for him.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:04 PM
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39. Like Malcom X if you strip away the theatrical flourishes and analyze
what Moore is saying he, like Malcolm X, are a lot more conventional than the public perception is.


Is Capitalism broken, yes. Does he have a completely different system that will bring the benefits of capitalism without the problems, no.

In the end he is a mixed system reformist just like most intelligent people since Teddy Roosevelt.
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SilasSouleII Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 10:34 PM
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20. KO
and him seem to be be new BFF's.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 11:54 PM
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25. Wow. You only seem to post four or five times per year. nt
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 10:41 PM
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23. Michael Moore has found a niche and a venue
to call people to action. He was interviewed on Realtime tonight and spoke about this new film
and his hope it will inspire the viewer to get the hell off their asses and demand change.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:57 AM
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27. No. I dont "enjoy" them. They piss me off. That is what they are meant for
They make me completely livid (like I need the encouragement) at corporations, vapid stupidity, and greed.

I booed and hissed at the tv during Sicko and facepalmed during Bowling For Columbine.

I did enjoy Canadian Bacon however.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:58 AM
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28. Whats not to love about them?
Michael Moore is a national treasure if you ask me
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:02 AM
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29. Yes (nt)
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:07 AM
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30. Do I enjoy them? Yes, immensely
Do I accept all of the information presented as fact? No, not at all.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:58 AM
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33. After I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 I went to anti Michael Moore web sites
and made a note of the "lies" in the movie, and then did my own fact checks. The "lies" were either not lies or not in the actual movie. Fahrenheit 9/11 is the only movie of his I have done this with.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:58 PM
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35. I wouldn't even call them lies ...
His movies are done with a perspective. I don't see it as a problem (probably because I more often than not share the same perspective).

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:01 PM
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37. the facts he present are reliable its his interpretation that can seem outlandish

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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:48 PM
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41. Agreed
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:51 AM
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31. Entertainer and not a journalist
Even when I agree with his conclusions, I can't agree with his content. It is sloppy at best, and intentionally misleading at worst. He refuses to start with anything remotely resembling objectivity.

A poor argument is a poor argument whether or not I agree with it.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 09:53 AM
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32. He gives us the truth -- and he does it in an entertaining way that attracts more people to the film
Therefore, his "over-the-topness" results in more people hearing his message.

He's A-OK in my book.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:59 AM
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34. Yes, I do and his books, too. nt
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:44 PM
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40. "Enjoy"? No.
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