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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 09:57 PM
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Gifford Pinchot was an elitist corporate dick who just happened to be friends with Teddy Roosevelt
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 09:58 PM by XOKCowboy
Yes this is another Ken Burns post. People have been lionizing Teddy here lately but his conservation legacy isn't completely clean. Gifford Pinchot used his power to steal the Owen's River water for LA and the San Fernando valley. It was a total resource grab for the rich that decimated the Owens River valley.

Now Steven Mather was a true hero.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 09:59 PM
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1. I got really lost in his forest.
They changed the logging road names. I damned near ran out of gas.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:00 PM
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2. Forest service = tree farms for timber corporations
"Your land of many abuses!"

So -- who was Steven Mather?
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:04 PM
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5. Very true..
As for Stephen Mather.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Mather

Or catch Burn's documentary.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:01 PM
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3. Teddy Roosevelt is still far preferable to the modern GOP.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:02 PM
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4. Well Yes....
He just got some bad advice now and again. He had good intentions no doubt.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:08 PM
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6. Yes he was well intentioned.
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Beer on a stick Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:14 PM
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7. So what? I like the Owens Valley exactly how it is today.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:26 PM
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13. I spent a week there last month but...
did you know that all that sagebrush used to be orchards and farms?
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Beer on a stick Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 11:00 PM
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I'm very familiar with it's history, thanks. I like it as it is.
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 11:00 PM by Beer on a stick
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 11:39 PM
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16. Well good for you...
Thanks for missing the entire point.
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Beer on a stick Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:03 AM
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18. No, I got your point.
I don't happen to agree with it, and consider it rather trite.
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Beer on a stick Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 11:00 PM
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15. Self-delete. Dupe
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 11:00 PM by Beer on a stick
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:15 PM
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8. Yes, Teddy did some good things, but his imperialist roots are deep. n/t
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:16 PM
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9. TR was one of the more pro-common man Presidents we've had, IMHO
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:19 PM
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10. I was really struck by how little things have changed
vis-a-vis corporatists and environmentalists in the past 100 years.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:28 PM
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14. Burns' description of Pinchot sounds right out of Club For Growth...
or any other modern day "fair use" advocates of today.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:21 PM
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11. Show me a hero, and I'll show you a bastard

Pappy Boyington.

No one is an angel, just men, with the flaws of men.

Looking for purity in mud puddles will leave you constantly thirsty.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:25 PM
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12. I am very glad we have National Forests
The mission of the National Forests has changed over time with science and often unfortunately politics.

Gifford Pinchot was a man of his time and social class.

The Park Service and Department of the Interior have faults too.
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JordanSmith73 Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 11:40 PM
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17. Interesting
Interesting
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