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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:33 AM
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Why is our President making phone calls supporting Baucus's corporate welfare bill?
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 09:47 AM by Faryn Balyncd



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Is this the way forward?

By ignoring Howard Dean, telling Grayson to shut up, and putting the screws to Sen. Rockefeller?

Or should we not be rallying with Sen. Rockefeller?

And let Baucus know that his lobbyist-written bill deserves (not merger with - - and corruption of - - a better bill) but the trash bin?

Does not reform require that we reject corporatist pseudo-"reform"?







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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:35 AM
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1. He wants to get it passed out of that committee. The Bill will have to be merged. What comes out
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 09:36 AM by Pirate Smile
of the Baucus Committee will NOT be the final bill. What passes out of the Senate wont be the final Bill.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:39 AM
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4. Will it be helpful for such a bill to emerge from the Finance Committee?


Is there a constitutional, or other requirement, that a healthcare reform bill must start, or, for that matter, ever go through the Senate Finance Committee?



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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:44 AM
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5. My feeling exactly
Everything is in lockdown mode until that bill gets out of committee.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:46 AM
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6. True.
Something has to come out of the Senate or there is nothing for reconciliation.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:53 AM
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8. Yes, we need a Senate bill, but we DON'T need a Finance Committee bill. The Kennedy (Harkin) Health,
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 09:53 AM by Faryn Balyncd

education, Labor and Pension Committee bill is a much better bill.


Would it not be better for the Baucus bill to die in committee, instead of merging with, and adding its malignant influence to a better bill coming out of Harkin's committee?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:37 AM
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11. We need a bill that can be passed by the Senate.
It will take 60 votes to cut off debate. Then, it can be passed. Then, it can go for reconciliation.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:47 AM
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12. That assumes that passing a bill is more important than whether the final result will be good or bad


If we capitulate now because we assume that the bad bill can be transformed into a good bill either through merger, Senate amendments, and/or reconciliation, and further assume that those on the other side will later capitulate and allow the newly transformed good bill to pass, we may be in for an awakening.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:21 PM
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13. Once there is reconciliation...
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 10:22 PM by kentuck
All we need is 51 votes. If we cannot get 51 votes, then we are in trouble. Then a decision will have to be made.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:35 AM
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2. Perhaps he does not agree with you assessment that it is a "corporate welfare bill"
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:07 PM
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14. Do you agree or not Freddie? You always pose the questions w/o ever stating yur opinion.
I hate your fuggin dog Freddie
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 07:55 AM
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15. Although it certainly can be improved, I do not beleive the bill is 'corporate welfare'
I am sorry that you do not like my dog. Perhaps you will get used to her over time.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:37 AM
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3. Yeah, I've been hearing that the Senate just wants a bill passed, and it'll prob
be with no public option, but when it gets to Committee that's when the REAL bill will be done. That's fine if that's what they do, but it sure seems like a lot of hoops to jump through to get to the finish line.
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:55 AM
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9. I agree, and understand that's how the system works, but
all of this "No, no just wait, this isn't what we really will end up with" is starting to sound like car salesman talk to me...I'm keeping the faith, but sometimes one wonders...as long as Ed Schultz is happy, I think I'm on board :)
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:01 AM
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10. Ditto -- if those I turn to and trust (Ed, Rachel, Thom) seem to be okay with it,
then I'll have faith. The whole dog and pony show is a waste of time (and smarmy!) if this is how it'll shake out. Why the games? :shrug:
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:46 AM
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7. Probably Obama wants the darn thing out of committee, so we can move forward.
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