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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 05:53 PM
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Bad leadership in the DNC.
The question is: where are you DNC?

As soon as Howard Dean took the reigns of the DNC in 2005 things started looking up.

In fact it was the only good thing to come out of the 2004 election cycle. With little money in the DNC bank he performed the virtual rabbit out the hat to implement the 50 state strategy. He created an audience and demanded attention from the traditional media. Constantly questioned the wisdom of the Republicans. Started and continued to hire staff in every state. Implemented the DNC Dashboard to help any Democratic candidate implement great web, communication and fund raising processes. Recruited Democratic candidates in districts that hadn't had a Democratic challenger in decades ... and won!!!

So now what happens. The DNC looks frozen in their old pre-Dean (losing) strategy. Tim Kain (There is a better way), is nowhere to be found, and the party is collapsing again under DLC rules of engagement. I guess they are content to send donation requests to email addresses gathered in the run-up to the LAST election.

Tim Kain, I suggest if you really don't have "a better way" then stick to a winning formula; maybe, hire Howard Dean as a consultant. I've seen Howard Dean on TV a lot this year and he doesn't even have a position in the party; but, I have not seen you.

Maybe I'm wrong ... has anybody seen any life in that organization?

We're going to lose seats if we don't campaign for them.

The base has shown it's still here waiting to cheer and donate on anything like good news; Alan Grayson stood on the House floor and said "Boo" and raised 100K

WTF DNC. This is so pathetic it's analogous to the Bush economy: started with a surplus and bankrupted the nation.

Bottom line DNC: I want action! I want it now! I want you to act like your a fucking winner (actually I want you to act like it's 2005 and get fucking moving). Your goal should be to DOUBLE the base by 2010 (instead of halve it) If you cannot .. then get out of the way.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 05:55 PM
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1. I think the DNC supports what Baucus is doing and the path HC reform has taken. nt
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:31 PM
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15. If that is true they will never ever receive a dime from me nt
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:06 PM
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2. When there is a Democratic President....
the White House is, in effect, the DNC, and the President its chairman. The DNC has essentially no function under those circumstances except to plan the 2012 convention, and maintain communications with the state parties.

Here are the DNC chairs from the Clinton Administration: David Wilhelm, Debra DeLee, Christopher J. Dodd, Roy Romer, Steven Grossman, Edward G. Rendell. Average term in office -- less than 18 months. Half of them you've never heard of. Name anything they did while Chair....

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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:11 PM
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3. And we lost the White House and both Houses ... DLC 50+1 does not work. Furthermore, ...
it does not excuse the inaction of the DNC.

Here's a hint: Create an award "The First Monthly Bold Speaker Award", invite Alan Grayson to speak ... can't miss; but then, who am I? I'm just sitting here looking at my orange "perfect storm" beanie and remembering when we had a Democratic National Committee that worked it's ass off to build the base.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:18 PM
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6. Blame the White House.
The DNC is a shell for the life of a Democratic administration -- always has been -- and it's the same for the RNC when there's a Republican in. Effective presidents take advantage of this, others don't -- it's my only serious beef with Jimmy Carter, for example. Nixon was a genius at it.

The role of a national party chair, and the national party apparatus, is first and foremost to provide what you don't have when you lose the White House -- a focus, and a spokesman. This is why Steele is not the disaster for the GOP he is often claimed to be.

Can't have two heads on one beast.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:33 PM
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17. And that is a loser strategy. DNC has to be active. There is still a party ... it's not just Obama
Force Multiplyer ... Obama says it, the DNC should be out there driving home the point.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 07:03 PM
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32. Yes, I agree. They are doing what the White House wants them to do. nt
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:15 PM
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4. I've seen Dean's Health Care bus tour on the news ... where's the DNC? *cricket* Losing strategy
nuff said.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:17 PM
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5. Here's another hint: Go schedule "DNC Barn Dances" ... just hire a band and put posters up.
But Tim, keep "there's a better way" in your pocket.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:20 PM
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7. That's what state and especially county...
...committees already do. We're making the rounds of the fairs this month.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:21 PM
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8. Looks like a disorganized individual effort to me. No national party visibility is bad
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:29 PM
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12. National party visibility for the next three years...
...consists of the President on page one, above the fold, in every newspaper in the country, and on the only national story running on the local TV and radio news. Every day.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:38 PM
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19. And somehow that's going to answer some local winger candidate where Rush is blabbing all day?
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:41 PM
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20. BTW: That looks like a welfare program for the paid "pros" .. I can sit here and watch the TEEVEE
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:23 PM
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9. The DNC should not be passive. It should be a "Force Multiplier" in action and visible
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:27 PM
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11. Making the rounds at state fairs looks like a McCain strategy. Find an event and put your face on it
Loser!
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:30 PM
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14. 60,000 people next week at Fryeburg...
Edited on Sat Oct-03-09 06:33 PM by Davis_X_Machina
...a similar amount last week in Cumberland. Real people whom you talk to -- and we're locals, not parachutists from DC.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:35 PM
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18. Really ... we gonna go to that motorcycle convention to? Sry, loser strategy.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:23 PM
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10. I will always stand with Dr. Dean
I voted Gov Dean in 04

The man knows how to fix things, at minimal cost, with benefits for all

But we can't have that can we?
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:29 PM
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13. We (Deaniacs) won over a base and the DLC took over. With all the success of Harold Ford.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:32 PM
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16. Yes, the DLC took over the DNC
But Dean's plan WORKED!

I almost wonder if the DLC wants the Democratic Party to fail...
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:48 PM
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26. But I thought the DNC won (Obama)
How did the DLC take over?
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:56 PM
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29. With all due respect I don't know why Tim Kaine was appointed, but it's clear he can't draw a crowd
and has no ambition in the national party growth.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 08:04 PM
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36. Howard Dean was ousted from his chair n/t
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:56 PM
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46. He shouldn't have been.
And I hope he will be President one day.

He has the right ideas, and he has the guts to push them through.


If he ever runs again for President, I'll support him.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:51 PM
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28. Hmm Does the DNC want the Democratic Party to fail?
Edited on Sat Oct-03-09 06:54 PM by truedelphi
Two summers ago, watching the Hispanic TV channel, it was Bill Clinton and George the Elder together everywhere in Mexico. And in San Francisco, Diane Feinstein spends a lot of time with George Schultz family.

Obama gets elected by 62% of the populace that votes. Then he feels that he must start out by being bipartisan and concillatory, as though he just squeaked on by rather than holding a mandate. We got Hillary Clinton for Secretary of State, the bad news for us boys Geithner and Bernanke (Though they have been great for Goldman Sachs) and Richard Holbrook to run around on diplomatic missions.

We did have a fabulous progressive to work on green jobs issues, Van Jones, but he was not to the Repugs liking and was sent home.

Oh well. It is all one big party money and it all works great if you have some money. Monsanto is sure happy, with Velsick and Taylor in thier respective posts. So just pass me some GMO grapefruit and I'll shut up.


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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 07:02 PM
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31. I agree. Obama needs to play the middle, but the Party can add the edge. It IS a partisan org.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 08:49 PM
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41. That is EXACTLY what they want
And it's been the agenda of the DLC from day one. There is nothing remotely Democratic about Al From, Will Marshall, Bruce Reed, or most of the DLC's current membership. Anyone worth a shit who made the mistake of involving themselves with them in the past (such as Al Gore or Howard Dean himself) has long since left them far behind.

The core of the DLC are Republican moles with the full intention of destroying the Democratic party from within.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:47 PM
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25. I thought Obama was DNC? When did the DLC take over?
Am I wrong?




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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:43 PM
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21. With Kaine there, I am not there
Tim Kaine: "“I do not support any change in the institution of marriage. I do not support the creation of civil unions,...And finally in the area of adoption. Virginia has adoption laws right now that I agree with. The adoption laws say the only couple that is allowed to adopt is a married couple.”

"I have a faith-based opposition to abortion."

And so it goes. And he is the dullest of speakers.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:45 PM
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22. Got that!!! He has had his chance and he's killing the party. We have elections next year and need
to be in action ... NOW!
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:58 PM
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30. Sounds as if we have a Republican heading up the DNC nt
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 07:05 PM
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33. He's also against funding stem cell research
and I'd say anti-labor. A Republican.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:46 PM
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23. The First year for any President is rougn....especially for this one...
and them snipey/slimey Pubs ain't helping either
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:51 PM
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27. 'scuse me...have you seen anything in my posts that demeans our President? But we have a PARTY ...
not a Wake.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 03:48 AM
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44. ??? Lets make it a real party....defeat the Pubs....they are Cancerous
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:46 PM
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24. I really want to thank everybody that rec'ed. This is a good rant and needs a debate. Thanks
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 07:08 PM
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34. The entire party is looking pretty corrupt to me these days
I looked at quite a few in this admin . Just google Gibbs and follow what he has in his part , he went out of his way to swift boat Dean. Just google Gibbs and follow through.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 07:49 PM
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35. Sometimes, you just have to do it yourself
The grassroot movement that took hold with the Dean campaign in 04 set the footprint for how to run a 21st century campaign. It was perfected by Deans 50 state stategy in 06 & 08 and honed to perfection with Obamas campaign.

We know how and what to do. Leadership comes from the ground up not the other way around. The DNC has a purpose and it's to raise money for Dem candidates. It's our job to register and get voters to the polls.

Let's never lose sight of who does what.

BTW, I'm not real thrilled w/ Kaines leadership (if you can call it that.) :evilfrown:
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 08:07 PM
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37. More inside the box thinking ... "That's what we've always done" ... and always LOST
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 08:21 PM
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39. Ever heard commercials for the state fair say "And the Back County Democratic Party Rep is Coming"
Edited on Sat Oct-03-09 08:24 PM by thunder rising
Alright!!!

But if the DNC had a Democratic PARTY Bus roll in on it's own, as in create it's OWN event.


Then you're putting the Democratic Party brand out in front instead of slinking around in the shadows.

Use the local party to scout locations and talent,
line up a few local candidates,
cook the hotdogs,
Big screen Obama greatest hits
fire the fireworks,
dance til 10 and ask for donations ... outside the box and in touch with your voters.
I'll bet it's self supporting.

I spent 7 years in Pueblo CO, and if such an event were to come to town. The population would show up, cause they have nothing else to do.

You will not live on $100/plate dinners.

Have I done your job for you or what?


DNC has draw ... fucking use it! (or lose it)
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 08:20 PM
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38. yes, something is rotten to the core........the DLC.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 08:42 PM
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40. Whenever the DNC is under control of the DLC, it turns to complete shit.
Happened with Rendell & McUseless, happenning again with Kaine.

Howard Dean remains the only TRUE leader this party had this entire decade.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:06 PM
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45. Not many truer words than the words of your subject header. n/t
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 08:53 PM
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42. A party gets the people it deserves,
Edited on Sat Oct-03-09 08:53 PM by BOG PERSON
and sooner or later people get the party they deserve.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 08:53 PM
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43. They haven't been doing too badly.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:57 PM
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47. DNC - Thug tactics to benefit their corporate masters: HORRIFIC leadership.
:puke:
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