Who thinks we can ever get out of this recession while spending trillions on two misguided wars?

NNN0LHI

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Sun Oct-04-09 11:48 AM
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Poll question: Who thinks we can ever get out of this recession while spending trillions on two misguided wars?

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L0oniX

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Sun Oct-04-09 11:49 AM
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1. It's also one of the reasons we won't get single payer health care.

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timeforpeace

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Sun Oct-04-09 02:07 PM
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9. So those who said there isn't enough money to it all were right after all. Ironic isn't it?

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L0oniX

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Sun Oct-04-09 08:33 PM
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17. ...and most likely the same ones that keep voting for more war funding.

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AzDar

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Sun Oct-04-09 11:52 AM
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2. I was just railing about this to dh this morning after finding out that 8 troops (!) were dead.

Money for illegal and immoral wars, but not for healthcare...:mad:

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FormerDittoHead

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Sun Oct-04-09 11:55 AM
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3. Not as long as the money isn't going HERE, but DUBAI...

Edited on Sun Oct-04-09 12:04 PM by FormerDittoHead

In WWII, the money spent to build tanks, planes and guns was spent HERE to employ people, and that increased demand.

But the money for these wars is going to VERY FEW contractors, and they don't spend it HERE.

In Ancient Egypt, the rulers controlled people by taking the surplus of their lives after bare living and directed it into making the pyramids.

Up to the 90's, the defense department built thousands of nukes and missiles never to be used. But they employed a lot of people.

The tax loop holes which Obama promised to close remain open, and he hasn't done anything to stop gov't (our) money from flowing into them.

So much work to do.

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frebrd

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Sun Oct-04-09 12:44 PM
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7. Good point - I've got an M1 Carbine made during WWII......

by General Motors. All the automotive companies were making war materiel during that time. I don't think any of it was outsourced.

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Fumesucker

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Sun Oct-04-09 05:17 PM
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13. Oldsmobile made the 37mm cannon for the Bell P39 Airacobra..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-39_Airacobra

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madokie

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Sun Oct-04-09 12:03 PM
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4. Nope it won't happen

WE won't get single payer because we can't afford it so it looks to me like the powers to be will keep the two wars in order to keep us without meaningful healthcare.

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Jkid

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Sun Oct-04-09 12:06 PM
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5. Impossible

Congress and Obama's priorities are screwed up. The first thing he should have done is to get all his troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan as soon has he was sworn into office. Then used that money allocated for the war for a public jobs expansion.

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Don Caballero

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Sun Oct-04-09 12:23 PM
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6. The recession is nearing the end

The President is currently pulling the troops out of Iraq to focus on the real front of the war, AfPak. As Americans we must stand united in the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban and realize that until Osama Bin Laden is either killed or captured we are at risk of major terror operations within the homeland. I support President Obama in the direction he is leading our foreign policy. After eight years of a bumbling drunken idiot advocating corporate profit over life, it is refreshing to have a Commander in Chief who is willing to listen to the Intelligence Community and deliver on his promise of change.

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timeforpeace

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Sun Oct-04-09 02:04 PM
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8. This is what he said he would do, so who are we to tell him he's wrong? Obama's keeping this promise

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AllentownJake

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Sun Oct-04-09 05:21 PM
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14. The recession is nearing the end?

Really?

A consumer based economy with a huge trade deficit is about to pull itself out of a recession with high unemployment (those damn consumers tend to consume less when they don't have jobs). Pray tell what is bringing us out of this recession. Magic?

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Kurt_and_Hunter

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Sun Oct-04-09 02:44 PM
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10. Who thinks we can get out of the Great Depression while spending trillions on World War II?

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NNN0LHI

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Sun Oct-04-09 05:25 PM
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15. We had three recessions during our involvement in Vietnam

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AllentownJake

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Sun Oct-04-09 05:27 PM
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16. Can we blow up all the other manufacturing in the world

So that we are the only ones who can do it again?

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NickB79

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Sun Oct-04-09 09:13 PM
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19. We still had a manufacturing base in the US during WWII

And all those trillions we spent to manufacture weapons, planes, tanks, etc, were spent in American factories, with wages paid to (largely unionized) American workers, who then bought other goods and services produced by other Americans.

Today, our economy is driven by consumers rocketing themselves into debt by buying foreign-made goods, and our dwindling manufacturing capabilities are increasingly non-unionized.

The economy we have today is nothing like the one we had in 1940.

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LaPera

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Sun Oct-04-09 04:56 PM
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11. Can't be done - Only the corporations are getting richer while soldiers & civilians die

everyday...for what, oil corporations pipelines, and oil reserves and weapons makers....as lives are destroyed and countries demolished people maimed for life for corporate profits....and health care public option is being fought by the reich while 66 to 70% ofr the American people are demanding a PUBLIC OPTION!

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eppur_se_muova

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Sun Oct-04-09 05:06 PM
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12. Why can't we just declare "Mission Accomplished"?

That worked so well before.

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Unvanguard

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Sun Oct-04-09 08:41 PM
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18. We can. They're different kinds of problems.

The war spending redirects production toward pursuits that are not helpful to our living standards; the recession is a reduction in overall production brought about by the economy's failure to fully employ the available resources. Lots of spending on utterly useless tasks--the famous example is hiring people to dig holes and fill them in--might actually solve the second problem, while obviously only worsening the first.

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