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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 06:51 PM
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I posted a comment on Fox (Wingnut alert).
I watch EVERY broadcast Sunday political show each week... and that includes Fox "news" Sunday.

On today's show, during the roundtable, I heard the often-repeated suggestion that Ford's noticeably better sales figures are due primarily to a "wellspring of anti-government fervor" over the auto bailout. I couldn't help but post on their blog:

This morning, the Roundtable repeated the claim that "Ford's vastly better quarterly sales figures are the result of "Consumers REWARDING Ford for not taking bailout money." While this may play a part, I'm always suspicious when "anti-government fervor" is credited with any mass movement. Ford's better numbers are more likely due to the perception they will actually be around ten years from now than for their rejection of bailout money. That's what allowed them to turn it down in the 1st place.

Minutes later (after my submission was reviewed and approved by the censors), I received this incomprehensible reply:

John B.

Henry Ford was a "Free Mason" maybe he and his descendants believe in freedom of thought, freedom of intelligence and learning, and a sort of independence from the proprietary overbearing rule our US GOV is dolling out in the name of prosperity. Huh Mugsy?

Hmmm.

My response:

I'm certain thousands of car buyers are thinking about Henry Ford's membership in the Free Masons when choosing a new car.

Henry Ford was also virulently anti-Semitic. What's your point?

Naturally, I don't expect to hear anything that makes a lick of sense come back to me, but I couldn't help but repost the exchange here. Certainly significant of something, but hell if I know what. :)
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 06:53 PM
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1. I bought a Ford last Feb.
It had nothing to do with Henry, and everything to do with the car and the fact that I got a huge tax rebate because it's a hybrid. And I did specifically want to try an American car again, after many many years away. I'm very happy with it.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:00 PM
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4. You bought an '09 Ford Fusion hybrid? How is it? Does it stack up well to other sedans?
I saw an '09 Fusion up close earlier. Not too many of them around yet, but the body styling is rather nice, and I think darker colors complement the styling.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:11 PM
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11. I got an Escape.
I need 4WD because I have to drive in the mountains quite a lot. It works perfectly, has a lot of features I wanted (I really like the Sync - use it all the time).
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 06:55 PM
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2. I used an argument like that this afternoon on a wingnut
He said the KKK was founded by Democrats. I said yeah, like 100 years ago and do you really think the average repukelican knows that when he puts on his robes to get ready for the klan rally?
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 06:59 PM
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3. They were called Dixie-crats, and they all fled to the GOP.
<chuckle>

Yep. They were called Dixie-crats, and they all fled to the GOP following passage of the Civil Rights Act (see: "Strom Thurmond")
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:03 PM
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6. I think that Strom Thurmond
was the only one that fled to the GOP. The rest stayed in the Democratic Party. Please know what you're talking about before you make such statements.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:09 PM
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9. No that is correct
Many southern Democrats became republicans when the Civil Rights Act was passed.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:23 PM
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13. No that is NOT correct.
The leaders stayed. See Fulbright, Gore, Byrd, et al. The blindness here on DU is dumbfounding.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:26 PM
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15. The ones that were left waited until 1994 when they could safely
switch party's and maintain their seniority, as Newt assured them...
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:30 PM
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16. I never said the leaders left
Here, educate yourself:

Senator Strom Thurmond switched parties and became a Republican as a result of his support for the Barry Goldwater campaign in 1964. Jesse Helms also switched his party registration to Republican in 1970 and won a Senate seat in North Carolina in 1972. Several other Southern senators, such as Richard Russell, Jr. of Georgia and James Eastland and John Stennis of Mississippi remained in the Democratic Party. They went on to become prominent senators who served multiple terms in the service of their respective states. These long careers in the Senate elevated their seniority and put them in positions of power and prestige.

Into the late 20th century, the South changed from a Democratic monolith to a majority Republican sector of the country with GOP gains in state legislatures. This change, which became quite evident in 1972 with the electoral success of Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy", peaked with the elections of Ronald Reagan in 1980 and George H. W. Bush in 1988. It was consolidated in 1994 when Republicans gained a majority in the House of Representatives under the leadership of Newt Gingrich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:41 PM
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18. And those that
fought the 1964 Civil Rights Act hung around. With the exception of Thurmond. The Democrats were no saints back then. To portray them differently is intellectual dishonesty.
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 09:31 AM
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20. "Elected leaders" are notthe only "Dixie-crats".
You are referring to "elected officials" specifically.

I'm including "voters" among those defections.

The American South hasn't always been the Republican stronghold it is today.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:00 PM
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5. Thank you for what you do, Mugsy.
The response exemplifies typical ego-inflation of the un-informed: Post me/us, ergo propter me/us.
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 09:39 AM
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21. My reply wasn't posted (rejected?)
I checked back this morning. My reply to the wingnut was not posted (ie: rejected).
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:07 PM
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7. Learn something new everyday!
Edited on Sun Oct-04-09 07:11 PM by Mz Pip
Never knew Henry Ford was a Free Mason, not that I really gave it much thought in the first place. Nor did I make the connection between Ford's associations over a hundred years ago as having any relevance with the current state of affairs at Ford or with the consumers of Ford products.

I just figured it was due to their building halfway decent and affordable cars. :shrug: Silly me.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:09 PM
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10. Does do = due? n/t
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:12 PM
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12. oops
I really need to slow down when I post. I actually "due" know the difference. ;-)
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:23 PM
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14. LOL. n/t
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:08 PM
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8. Maybe Ford's good numbers came from Faux constantly bashing
GM (despite, I'm sure, them taking advertising $$$ for plenty of years) and the constant drumming of how anti-American the Union workers were ...
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busybl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 07:32 PM
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17. I thought it was because they were having the best deals
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:50 PM
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19. You could always mention that Bush's Grandpappy was a Nazi sympathizer
Edited on Sun Oct-04-09 08:58 PM by WCGreen
and then ask if does that mean Bush, the dummy is really a Nazi...

then you could say, I knew it...
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