Just when you thought you heard it all from the Christian Right.... "The Bible has a liberal bias!"

It looks like Conservapedia, the conservative alternative to Wikipedia founded by Andy Schlafly, son of the Eagle Forum's Phyllis Schlafly, has undertaken a new project - making a more conservative Bible:

"Liberal bias has become the single biggest distortion in modern Bible translations. There are three sources of errors in conveying biblical meaning:

* lack of precision in the original language, such as terms underdeveloped to convey new concepts of Christianity
* * lack of precision in modern language
* * translation bias in converting the original language to the modern one.

Of these three sources of errors, the last introduces the largest error, and the biggest component of that error is liberal bias. Large reductions in this error can be attained simply by retranslating the KJV into modern English."

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/building-more-conservative-bible

Here are some of the many changes:

Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias

Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity

Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;<4> defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle".

The devil is real, because they say so.

Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning

Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story

Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word "Lord" rather than "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Lord God."

"Pharisees" becomes "intellectuals".

This seems way off the deep end, and remember, this is the Christian Right we're talking about here.

That's some powerful crazy.

:spray:

Ah, the wondrous reflection of Reagan's philosophy on direction of the edukkational system of the United States. 40 years of words without substance, the great dumbing down of the public for easier propaganda dissemination.

Hey, sure - mandatory prayer at school and random electronic fishing for information is Constitutional - the Constitution is just mis-translated between that olde, boring 18th century English with all those extra letters and strange, outdated words, and our bright, shiny, new Y2K American.
It will all be covered in our bullet point v2.9 edition of the Constitution any time now...with animation!

(Banging head against keyboard...)

Ignoramuses...

Haele

Don't worry (if you are). These people are going to do what Osama and the fringe Islamist couldn't do for thousands of years: totally destroy Christianity. Go for it boys and girls. We all know Christ was a communist. They especially hate the scripture where Christ upholds paying taxes to the ruling government.

...Just change the 'Word of God'?

I keep wondering why they don't just come up with their own little religion that fits them better. It must be hell having to constantly explain away things like the Sermon on the Mount...

On edit:

They sure do use the word 'emasculated' a lot. Seem to be downright obsessed with the idea. :shrug:

Now, all they have to do is rewrite the scriptures to match it.

Jesus flew over to America in a boeing 777 (first class of course), and told the native americans that they needed to give over all of their land to the blond haired-blue eyed aryans that somehow just popped up out of no-where in the middle east.

:crazy:

As a Mormon I find the development in the OP appalling.

And then set up phone banks in salt lake city to spam people the week of the election.

:shrug:

I have my own prejudices, but that doesn't mean I'll let you be insulted without protest.

But thank you for the protest.

tjwash

Wrong. We still use the Bible, and it is positive wrong to say that the Shurch say Jesus fly to america in a 777, at that time the idea of flying was still in its infant by all means, and i doubt it was enough metall in the middle east to build a 777 either...

And I aslo find the OP appealing, this is NOT what is right, to try to rewrite the Bible.. In the end the warnings for them who want to rewrite the bible is pretty clear...

By the way, it is in the Book of Mormons that Jesus Christ was in america, not in the Bible... Get your fact right and come back then.. ;)

Diclotican

Not the literal truth?

My, my...

never dreamed how accurate we'd be!

The New Testament, that is.

their political agenda and the base document appears to be the KJV, which was itself a translation made to suit a political agenda.

He published "The Book", which was basically the KJV "retold" in contemporary English? (scrupulously avaoiding the dreaded term "translation")

But this sounds like they intend to mess with it far more than just a translation of a translation.

And their punishment will be eternal. There are blood-curdling threats in the Apocalypse or Revelations, just to anyone presuming to alter that book, alone. Incidentally, there are some dire prospects facing the world's businessmen recounted in it.

There's waaaay to much liberal shit in the constitution, too.

Some of our followers are reading this thing and asking questions. FUCK!

"I'm sorry, but we consider 'miracle' to be an 'experimental treatment' and can not cover it under your insurance plan."

Ans SSJ don't ride on no stinkin' ass.

Thoroughbreds, baybeee!

You Got Bootstraps

from MM's new movie where he re dubs the dialogue of a Jesus movie, making him a capitalist. When a crippled man is brought to Jesus and he is informed that he has been that way his whole life, the new Jesus responds "I am sorry, but I cannot heal a pre-existing condition."

He had his own "Bible tract" presenting Supply-Side Jesus, who is, as you would expect, a douchebag just like that. Moore just borrowed the bit and used Franco Zeffirelli's movie to dub more punchlines.

I don't believe that the Schlaflys and their underpaid non-intellectual flunky Biblical "experts" are actually going to make a go at rewriting Jesus into that, and make Jesus seem respectable on any level. This is so out there and such bad judgment that plainly they've lost their minds.

I would like to ask the Schlaflys an honest question about their revised Jesus: would you hire this guy? Would you have given his ministry any money?

you're right. In fact I have an autographed copy of that book and I do remember the cartoon of the supply side Jesus.

:rofl:

Bring back the DUzys!

Jesus must have refused to cure anybody.....after all, all their maladies were "pre-existing conditions"!!!!:banghead: :sarcasm:

But it must be the rightwing translation of the Bible. None of those librul translations are truly blessed. In fact, they're eeevvvvuuuuulllll!

;-)

What a bunch of rightwing jerks!

they're going to set the record straight.

He's a military sort of savior.

Because that's what they were going to end up with.

I think this caps it off fairly well.


22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book.

22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book


From two of the last four verses in the last chapter of the book of Revelations.

tell me how you can rationalize fundamentally changing the Word of God to suit your own personal views on life. I believe this is the most batshit crazy thing I've ever heard the RWidiots do. And I hope they do it! Just more damage to the RW politically IMO. They will alienate more fundamentalists, so even less votes come election time.

Fucking idiots, but I am all for it!

I think having a Loony tunes version of the Bible could be fun.
At the very least, it may keep enough of the idjits busy arguing over verb tenses to stay the hell out of
public issues.
But I am an atheist...what the hell do I know?

There's a book called "Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why" by Bart Erhman that studies how the New Testament has changed over the centuries. I haven't read it myself so I can't say if it's any good. Anyone here read it?

book. Erhman does a masterful job in explaining the history behind what is in the Bible, what's not, why not and why things were changed. I recommend it highly. His "Jesus Interrupted" is also a good read.

Thanks for 'Jesus Interrupted', I will look for it.

May I reccommend 'The Cipher of Genesis' by Carlo Suares. He digs into the symbolism of the original hebrew in Genesis (which as we know is a language intentionally filled with many facets, symbolical and numerical) and comes up with some interesting interpretations.

:hi:

I'll see if I can get it through inter-library loan. I'll be interested to read his conclusions. Many thanks for the recommendation. :)

world too, but I am an agnostic so might anger my personal cosmic space monster if I don't give legitimacy to their first manifestation of controlled insanity.

You think The Right has gone way past any moral boundaries already and they storm across another one.

The Christian Right had to deal with that socialist Jesus Christ somehow. Can't have their minions thinking too much about his admonition about how we treat the least among us, or rich people not being able to get into Heaven.

Very creepy stuff.

Love Tommy Lee Jones.

I watch his movies just to see him do his thing so well. :)

And animated!!! :woohoo:

:hi:

... but what is a face palm? Some kind of plant?

I have always said that the Christian Right (and other theocrats) are ultimately not so much interested in making the state subservient to their God, as in using God as a tool to make the State subservient to the people in power. This seems to confirm the view.

'Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning'

The Gospel According to St. Milton Friedman?

He spoke out on behalf of the poor and the sick on countless occasions. (Interestingly enough, he never warned us of the perils of gay marriage or abortion.)

:hi:

First Example - Liberal Falsehood

The earliest, most authentic manuscripts lack this verse set forth at Luke 23:34:<7>

Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

Is this a liberal corruption of the original? This does not appear in any other Gospel, and the simple fact is that some of the persecutors of Jesus did know what they were doing. This quotation is a favorite of liberals but should not appear in a conservative Bible.

Here is the King James version of the passage.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+23%3A34&version=KJV

you lose the heart and soul of the faith. How sad.

I'm glad to see they're openly admitting that their "free market" fixation is an irrational, religious one and not a practical one-- but I'm curious as to what part of Bible advocates Laissez-Faire capitalism.

where the father gives each of them a share of "talents" (money, not ability), but not an equal share, and the son who only received one talent was chastised by dad because he just buried it in the ground instead of investing it in something risky like his brothers (who each received far more money) did.

I guess that whole Jesus Prince of Peace thing isn't good for the military industrial complex.

This is simply corporate Christianity, they are making it more official now.

they've twisted his word so much. It is MUCH easier to do an overhaul of the Bible than it is to change their position.

Read it here

Boreded Ceiling Cat makinkgz Urf n stuffs
1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.

2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.

when the KJV was written? (and incidentally written for a King)

:shrug:

:crazy:

god will be fat, pale and have that greasy shiny skin of guys who eat a lot of meat. Oh and helmet hair.

:D

Can't have the prosperity gospel spoiled by a socialist hippie, son of God or not.

meant those word for word and there is no mis-translation

:sarcasm:

Oh. My. Lord.

(Please, let Colbert do something with this. Oh please oh please please please)

How can you complain about other translations being inaccurate, and then do a thing like that? :crazy:

My guess is that Jesus had a distinctly liberal bias - if liberalism means caring for the least among us.

This is going to show the conservabots for what they really are: the American Taliban. But we already knew that.

It will bring some doubt and tension to the tea-bag contingent about who is really godless, and with all the anti-liberal propaganda, this will make them question. Something that Liberals have not done is announce a translation of the Bible that is specifically liberal, which throws out whole stories that disagree with liberalism. This is not the action that most conservative followers have in mind, not nearly. The Schlaflys have misjudged so totally here that it might mean the end of conservatism. You could bet that the split with the Catholic Church this will make will drive it back to the Democratic Party, at least, abortion or not. They will begin to realize that wealthy Republican women have abortions, too. They will begin to look for Christian-minded people on the liberal side now.

I know enough about Christians to know that you just don't announce a "new" translation of the Bible to them, while already giving the major points of the translation you haven't made yet. There is no way this goes over well for Republicans or Conservatives, my only question is how much collateral damage is it going to do?

However, I'm thinking now that Conservatives everywhere are calling the Schlaflys, but I don't think they'll change their minds.

The end of christianity, or at least the christian stranglehold is a GOOD thing.

The thing that struck me most is the militancy. They're dead set against forgiveness -- both "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and "forgive them father, for they know not what they do" are nixed as late interpolations by the liberal conspiracy. They also don't seem too happy with "peace" -- which they believe needs to be redefined as "lack of anxiety" rather than "absence of war" -- and they want to turn "blessed are the meek" into "blessed are the God-fearing."

Second is the assumption that Jesus really meant to teach 20th century free market economics -- but the Greek and Hebrew languages of the time didn't have the words to express those concepts, so they have to go through and insert good "conservative words" wherever they see an opening. In a similar vein, they want to substitute "idle miser" for "rich man" in "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven" -- on the grounds that "continued use of 'rich' is misleading in justifying laziness and socialism."

And third -- and in some ways worst -- is what a tin ear these people have. Their "rewrite" of KJV takes out all the poetry and turns it into something resembling a Boy Scout manual. As I said to my son when he sent me the link earlier, even the Lolcat Bible is about three notches of wisdom above this. Srsly.

http://conservapedia.com/Gospel_of_Mark_%28Translated%29

This begins the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As the prophets wrote, Listen, "I send my messenger before you, who shall shall clear your way." The messenger preaches among skeptics, "Prepare for the way of the Lord and make straight His path." John did baptize in the desert, preaching repentance and the forgiveness of sins. And countless people from the Judaea and Jerusalem went to him, confessing their sins and receiving baptism in the Jordan River. John survived on bare necessities, wearing a camel's hair habit with a leather belt; his food consisted of locusts and wild honey; And preached, declaring "there will be someone so much greater that I am not even fit to stoop and untie his sandal straps." "I have baptized you with water, but He shall baptize you with the Divine Guide."


http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Mark_1

1 K, I just telz u this, but I telz u agin. Ceiling Cat haz son name Happy Cat. This hiz stori: 2 Wise catz sed, Ceiling Cat send wai smrt d00d. 3 He make thingz redy 4 Happy Cat. 4 Hiz name John. He wantz us to dunk in watr. (wtf? iz dat srsly?) 5 Catz let him do thiz crzy thing tho. Tehy dunk in watr. Srsly 6 John warez crzy clothez and eatz bugz (he no haz cheezburgr?) 7 He sez, "New cat come, him wai betr thn me. 8 I dunkz u with waterz but he givz u Hovr Cat. Srsly.

From Acts:

if they claim it's the word of god, how dare they change it? Hubris, people, leadeth to a fall.

they weren't current on their protection payments?

conservatives deeply respect our traditions and customs and want to protect them at all times. Only evil liberals want to rewrite history to serve their nefarious ends.

This is just another Bible revision.

Like the Qur'an, like the Book of Moroni, like certain churches' persistence at including apocryphal books, it is just one more attempt to divert attention from the actual Biblical message to suit temporal ideologies. I'm not supposed to say this, but may the perpetrators burn in Hell.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=27868

Matthew 5

1 And seeing the multitudes 18 gazillion teabaggers, he went up into a mountain pickup truck: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

...

9 Blessed are the peacemakers gun collectors: for they shall be called the children of God Heston.

…and then a Samaritan passed by the man, and saw that he was grievously wounded, and would surely die, so the Samaritan said, “let us offer this man a tax cut so that he can afford a high-deductible catastrophic care policy, combined with a tax-advantaged health savings account to defray his expenses. Furthermore, let us mandate that all must purchase such policies from the insurance companies, so that they may increase their wealth, and raise rates for all policyholders, lest the increased burden of covering unfortunate wretches like this one before me who…appears to be dead…(kicks body to be sure)…yup, dead! Oh, well, he would only have been a burden to his insurance provider anyway, and would have caused my rates to go up too.

was that the Samaritan must have saved his money in the first place, so as to be able to help the injured man.

and nothing you say or do really represents what you claim it does. It must suck to be such bad people with so many hang-ups regarding others' lifestyles. Maybe it's time you whack jobs took a better look at yourselves, and stopped looking for distractions to make yourselves feel so righteous.

The meek shall inherit only 6 feet of the Earth.

Blasted are the PeaceMakers

It is easier for a needle to pass though the eye of a camel...



One massive Do-Over by the people who have made Christianity into a Cash Cow. Make that a Golden Calf.

Then again, there's never been a lie a Schafly wouldn't tell.

Truer words were never written......

:wow:

It doesn't surprise me that they would question the "clarity" of the scriptures before they would give up greed, though rejecting the scriptures and re-writing them was never a step I thought they'd take. I know they call it a "revision" (and that word alone should make all Conservatives shudder) but the rules to the translation they give makes it clear that they already know what it will say.

They'd rather create a major schism in Christianity than do without greed. Immediately, what's going to happen is that the Catholic Church will renounce this effort, permanently taking it and its members out of the Conservative bloc and Republican Party. Hear that Patrick Buchanan? This is something that would even give Limbaugh a heart attack, something that he is going to ignore, ignore, ignore until he can't.

What they are opposing is not conservatism by any definition-- it's officially radical and "new-fangled," it's about "new concepts" of Christianity, which sound remarkably like the new concepts under Calvinism and in the Gilded Age with a new brand-name (a very capitalist thing to do, BTW). It's seeking to recreate both the scripture and the English Language to establish some cornerstone for a "new order." There's nothing conservative about them now. Call them Radicals, Nutcases, Prophets, Phony Prophets, or even neo-Pharisees-- not conservatives now.

As for the scheme of simply re-translating the King James Version, that has been done, and it is called the Revised Standard Version, but apparently. Throwing out Christ forgiving the adulteress? That story was approved at the Synod of Hippo along with the rest of Matthew was. They are really going to justify throwing out sections of scripture by trusting their own ideological rightness and depend only on flunky "non-intellectuals" who have degrees in ancient languages and culture agree with them-- and who, consistently with capitalism, will be underpaid.

This project has rack and ruin for conservatism written all over it. If the wider implications didn't scare me so much, I would celebrate.

...the generation that got so worked up about "modern translations" is passing on. And the new generation has finally worked up the nerve to do everything their parents and grandparents accused "liberals" of doing in terms of rewriting scripture to suit their own ideology. To put their words in their own god's mouth.

And they accuse atheists of arrogance. :wtf:

Change that passage, though, and for fundamentalists, you are rewriting truth, and no human being is supposed to do that. Many of them are going to scrutinize this project like nothing before. If they are ignorant about so many other things, they are not going to stay ignorant about this.

Meanwhile, this will end the Catholic Church's love for conservatism.

Conjecturing and talking about mis-translations and liberal language is one thing. Totally, officially, changing passages is the stuff of Holy Wars and schism.

Any ideas on how to speed this along?

Does the Pope have an email addy?

:popcorn:

Whereas the Pope will say: Schlafly who?

you think about how conservatives twist everything else to suit themselves, I guess it is not unexpected.

This has been a very strange day, without going into detail, and somehow this provides the last and most fitting cherry on the cake of the day.

It does open up a whole new vista for literal bible believers though. If you don't like your source material, write your own bible. The Bubba Standard version would be sterling along these lines, I believe.

By that, I mean it certainly will break any bond between the tea bag contingent and the upper class that's manipulating them. There's a justice to it, since the Schlafly's are true believers, like the teabag crowd the plutocracy manipulates with propaganda. The irony here is thick.

I think it's the end of Conservatism, unless some of those plutocratic one-percenters prevail on the Schaflys to shut up about this plan quick, and bury it somewhere. But the Schlaflys won't. No, it's their mission now that Michael Moore has had the temerity to say that capitalism in somehow incompatible with Christianity. No, they are making it their mission to show that Jesus is a bigger douchebag than Donald Trump, except unemployable, and not surrounded by beautiful women. You could bet people will read that story and come away awed.

:nopity:

The splintering of the Republicans reflect the schisms that are forming and rocking the conservative and fundie groups as a whole.

My post was probably too flippant. I tend to do that sometimes when I feel my brain is about to explode. I not only agree with you, I hope you are right. To me, the various conservative factions represent the death of hope. They are life hating and cruel and just plain indifferent to any views but their own.

However I like this part of their proposal the best


NEWS FLASH YOU HYPER-RELIGIOUS NUTBARS! If it wasn't written at a 7th-grade level you wouldn't be able to READ IT! That's why you can't UNDERSTAND it!

The librarian at my Intermediate School showed me this many years ago.

The 46th word in the 46th Psalm in the KJV? Shake.
The 46th word back in the 46th Psalm in the KJV? Spear.

Shakespeare's age when the KJV was released in 1611? 46.

And there are fundamentalists who think the KJV was divinely inspired...or even superior to the original translations...

Ya gotta know lots of ancient and obscure languages: Greek, Latin, Amharic, Aramaic, Hebrew.....

AFAIK, the best new translation from original sources is The New English Bible, now sold as The Revised English Bible. We used it in my religion classes in college (Presbyterian, required courses for everyone, not seminary students).

The professor was the most amazing linguistic scholar I have ever seen. We learned about what was written when (J,E,D,P) and lots of historical stuff.

I've been looking for a good translation.

I've gotta laugh (and cry) when I see them 'retranslating' the already distorted KJV. It's like a funhouse mirror at this point, summed up by garbage in, garbage out, reflecting the crooked, biased soul of whoever attempts it.

You might appreciate my post #133. :hi:

This professor was an amazing guy; now he's the head of the religion dept. at my college.

:shrug:

n/t

(forgive the poor spelling)

it will be a commandment!

Never mind... I had a really good argument, but I am too sleepy to continue the thought...

the Orange Bible, and Yaweh knows how many iterations since the scrolls were assembled (and a good many left out). As always, it's political.

It's about as realistic as virgins who have babies.;)

which ironically they consider the bible to be.

I guess they could hire MM... after all he did a wonderful job of "showing us" the parable of Mamom... and pre existing conditions. I am sure this is something these sons of mamon would agree with.

A bunch of rich, white males, infested with homophobia and male chauvenism WROTE the Bible 2000 years ago. Why can't a bunch of rich, white male homophobes and male chauvenists RE-WRITE it today? After about 38 billion translations, and translations OF translations, there is so little left of what the Bible was actually MEANT to say anymore that there's no point in reading it now anyway. It's basically nothing more than a book of propaganda purporting to stand for the Word of God now, so why not go all the way and TOTALLY fictionalize it.

The same people who want to throw out the entire Constitution except for the 2nd Amendment are the same people who want to draw a big X through the entire New Testament (Jesus was a huge liberal, after all), and only keep the parts of the Old Testament that deal with how it's hunky-dorey with God to kill gays and women who get too uppity.

If you lived 2000 years ago, your ideas on homosexuality wouldn't quite be "progressive" by today's standards. Also the Old Testament was written more than 2000 years ago, by people who probably wouldnt be considered "white" by todays standards. Some New Testament manuscripts are a lot closer to 2000 years old, but not all, and again not completely authored by "white people". Some translations that came later? Yes they certainly have a rich white bias. However I believe the message transcends that.

This was a great response.

Something about how removing from it removes that person from the Book of Life?

HINT HINT NUTJOBS.

Reality has a known liberal bias.

...to point out the separation of the Bible from reality due to its basis in myth, until I also realized that, by nature of existing, it's part OF reality.

I have to sit down. That shit is deep.

this is insidious- and revealing. Altering accepted translations of holy books to suit partisan politics, such as translating the widely accepted words like "Pharisees" into "intellectuals" so RW anti-intellectual dolts are sure to associate the "Pharisees" with liberals. So the bible then becomes an indoctrination tool for demonizing liberals. I hope this blows up in their face and reveals their true motives. Politics should never influence the altering of the bible. In this case original intent should be the guiding principle for translation, not partisan politics.

I think I'll wait for the Hollywood rewrite and reduction to a movie. It'll have much more action in it. Just think of the ads:
He came with a message of peace and the spirit of charity.
He fought the system but was betrayed and left for dead. .
He tried a last message of forgiveness.
But it fell on deaf ears.
Now He's coming back. And this time, the sinners are in trouble...

Jesus: The Second Coming. "Pray for salvation... Before it's too late."
Coming soon to a theater near you.


* Note, the Old Testament can be a prequel movie...

Its a real delight to read. Link below:

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Conservapedia

That phrase right there completely collapses any arguement they might think they have. Until someone unearths an Aramaic copy they haven't got a leg to stand on.

*this version supercedes all previous immutable words of God

Too much talk about the life of Jesus. Fire and brimstone shit, and nothing about peace and love. We're in this church for 5 generations, and I am seriously thinking of leaving. The only thing making me hesitate is that I suspect he won't be here that much longer. I can go to other churches in the meantime, or not go at all.

comments are priceless.

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/05/coming-soon-the-new-international-free-market-bible/

snip>

Also among the goals of the project: replace liberal words like "labor" with preferred conservative terms; use concise language instead of "liberal wordiness"; and--my favorite--"explain the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning." Jesus talks about economics more than any other secular subject in the Bible, so they've got their work cut out for them. I look forward to learning the free-market meaning of "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

the entire New Testament. :shrug:

Edit to add: Why not start a new religion? Call it "Reaganism", to honor that great saint with the "free market" precepts and achieving wealth as the highest state of grace. Look at another really cool "modern" religion, Mormonism. Boy, these people are real pieces of work, talk about propaganda, this would make Goebbels blush.:sarcasm:

As just about anybody who knows the Bible's history can attest, there is virtually nothing in the Gospels that is contemporaneous with the life of Jesus. It's basically a consensus document, the received wisdom of several generations of people who followed his teachings. There is not one word in the Bible that is purported "spoken" by Christ that can be definitively linked to him -- or even to anybody within a century of his actual life.

It would be like having the people who heard Thomas Jefferson speak during his lifetime, passing along his political philosophy by word-of-mouth. Nobody writes it down until 1900. Just how accurate do you think it's going to be?

The problem comes in the translation of the KJV into modern english....but one never asks why do that?....is it because people are so stupid that we can't understand it?

But what they are doing is just what the right wing have been doing for years....labeling everything as having a liberal bias even though it is quite the oppsite....they will all tell you that we have a liberal media, and now they will tell us we have a liberal bible, to counter anyone pointing out that Jesus was a flaming liberal and his teachings were more progressive than most people here on DU.

Yes, stupid is alive and well in the USA, and people are out there that will exploit it.

I would have guessed this was the work of some trolls having a bit of fun, but it was started by Andy Schafly himself. God, what a kook.

:evilgrin:

Where do you get your quote? They are saying Bible translations have a liberal bias. Big difference.

about helping the poor and blessed are the peacemakers are just too much for the Money is God crowd.

This is the final nail in the coffin of the xtain right.

Someone understands the liberal conspiracy that's been around for hundreds of years... oh wait, it still doesn't make any sense what these wackos are saying.

being corrected by later translations based on the originals as opposed to the old KJV.

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." See, King Jimmie had a hair up his ass about witches (think Macbeth, which was written in his honor) so the original verse, which was something more along the lines of not tolerating poisoners, was changed to the one which all of us pagans know and love. Recent translations have corrected this oversight and say nothing about killing witches, sadly (to some). I'm sure the witch clauses will be restored by the servants of god, just to make sure they never lose the opportunity to persecute those who don't follow their ways.

Another place where they'll be hitting a sticky wicket is the multiple versions of Genesis includiing a partially feminine hebrew noun as one of the names of God. Oh and the holy spirit was originally a feminine concept too which has been 'masculated' to unisex (or nonsexual) over the last several centuries.

Interesting tome on some of the background symbolism in Genesis: 'The Cipher of Genesis' by Carlo Suares. Lots of stuff there for an ignorant christian to dislike.

The giants who laid with the daughters of men?

The uppity Lilith?

Lots of different gods they ignore.

And basing everything on a false book?

awful god in the first place.

Religion has always been a political expedient, from the Egyptian God-kings to Roman Emperors, to Constantine and St. Augustine. Unto the very present when we see horrors such as this.

Thankfully, we are a few steps ahead of the councils of Hippo or Nicea. We have the originals at our fingertips and no amount of burning is going to erase computer files in the ethernet (assuming they could get close enough to heretical scrolls like the Dead Sea missives to sneeze on them, let alone burn them, even then pics and docs exist for them somewhere).

It's not as easy to rewrite history and turn back the clock the way it used to be, like in 300 AD. In fact, a stunt like this will drive more from their religion than it will gain...

"Pharisees" becomes "intellectuals".

And the Holy Spirit becomes the Divine Guide.

All they are doing, is taking the King James Version and paraphrasing it. That's not a translation. Now maybe people who do know something about the translation will consult them on this, but it's no wonder Schlafly could make such stringent guidelines. His people aren't going back even to the Vulgate, never mind the . Given that intellectuals are the equivalent of Pharisees for conservatives, I doubt that many people trained in ancient languages are going to give any input to this.

Being this careless, where does he get the intellectual chutzpah to declare whole passages illegitimate? One that Schlafly cites is from Luke 23:34:

Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." They tore his garments and cast lots for them.

My interpretation has always been that Jesus was asking his father to forgive these guys for de-pansing his son, a sin that they the probably did not know they were committing, and in the Old Testament might have led to the instant million amp lightning bolt. So, puzzled, I looked this up online to find out what, specifically, conservatives had been saying about this. He was absolving them specifically of that sin, only.

Here is the literal, word-by-word translation:

"The yet Jesus said Father from-let (forgive you) to-them (them) not for they have perceived (they are aware) any (what) they are doing being-through-parted (dividing) yet the garments of Him they cast (past) lots."

What can possibly be clearer? The conservative site makes this sound like some great liberal conspiracy here that this wasn't translated more clearly. (This complaint was also made by an Anti-Semite, who argued it to show that Jesus did not forgive the Jews.) I got the right meaning out of it. Apparently, those liberals didn't want to make it too wordy, which is another thing that annoys Schlafly.

generational ethnocentric vengeance too! Perhaps no time like the present to pray for these CR fools, for they have no idea what it is they've done

22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" He who hears, let him say, "Come!" He who is thirsty, let him come. He who desires, let him take the water of life freely.

22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book.

22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

They are after JC...the peacemaker and proponent of paying taxes. They are about to undo the basic tenants of Christianity...which is not rooted in the old testament but in the life, teachings, death, burial, and resurrection of JC.

The & End O8)

I was sure that was "cheesemakers."

oh the LORD, the KING, the HIGH PRIEST, those very ideas would send us into paroxysms of fear and wonder, because they had very real power over our lives and deaths, and to worry because lords, and kings, and princes, and masters, and priests all were capricious, petty and dangerous as the next human.

Not to worry, most of the bible is about as accurate as going east from New York 20 miles to reach California, or wandering lost in a 20 square mile patch of desert for 40 years . . .

Also don't forget the liberal parlor tricks! Walking on water, done that. Raising the dead, done that. Making a bunch of food out not a lot of nutrition, done that.

What in hell do parlor tricks do for anyone but goat herders? If those ancient cardinals and bishops who cobbled together the modern bible 1100 years after the events supposedly happened had seen David Copperfield, we'd all be worshipping the Lord David today.

Cheezus H. Christ it's a free country. I'm into science fiction though, so works of fantasy generally do not float my boat, and there are much better moral tales out there right now at Half Price Books than any passage of any version of the bible.

or took too much, perhaps.
:crazy: :silly: :wtf:

From the talk page (http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Conservative_Bible_Project):

"Let's be clear. This is not a Bible translation at all. It is merely a re-wording of the KJV. AngusF 14:22, 5 October 2009 (EDT)
No, it's more than that. We consult the Greek sometimes and benefit from other guidelines in Conservative Bible Project.--Andy Schlafly 23:28, 5 October 2009 (EDT)"

Their interpretation should definitely be trusted with this level of intellectual care being exercised.

:sarcasm:

language and manuscript is way too much power--only a republican christianist can do it!
I wonder if they know that the Greek worshiped more than one God?

And telling him there aren't enough wars, famines, misery and torture in the world.

Isn't that why they excluded the gnostic gospels?

If we go back and really investigate the early followers of Christ and their writings, like the Gospel of Thomas, the New Testament will be way left of liberal.

If they are talking about changing it now, what did they change say 50,60,70 years ago...

Conservative Christians would have you believe that God dislikes smart people?

Oh, wait, that explains so much.

ck4829


Someone on the right who dosent read the bible, specially in the end where it states really clear.. NO human is to write something else, or to rewrite the bible to fill hmans needs... The Bible is a holly book, and should NOT be used in public stunt... And the Bible tell a lot of what become of them who re write the bible...

Diclotican

thousands of years. It's funny in a wierd kind of way, but nothing new. Without the power to ram it down your throat everywhere and exclude access to other versions it will be marginal. It was the institutional power of the C of E at the behest of the King of England which made the KJV the standard of the English speaking world.